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Main characters of Amazon's Lord of the Rings series revealed?
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kzer_za
Lorien

Nov 25 2019, 7:44pm

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https://observer.com/...tter_impression=true
Some more of the casting info we've seen before with further descriptions and some additional characters.

None of these names are canon, but they are likely placeholders (and probably leaked from people involved with auditions) - I certainly hope so!


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Nov 25 2019, 9:29pm)


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 25 2019, 8:13pm

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That sounds so incredibly bad that it is difficult to believe [In reply to] Can't Post

And thus it is probably completely accurate. Frown

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Althoun
Lorien

Nov 25 2019, 8:27pm

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"Middle-earth....The Soap-Opera" [In reply to] Can't Post

Where's Tauriel with her, "Why does it hurt so much?" hammy-acting with corny line when you need her. (Yes, some of this is admittedly painful).

On the reassuring side, these names include the audition-names using the purportedly mock-up audition scripts that we've already heard about, just plus some new ones.

Evidently, someone has been able to view the mock-up audition scenes for the cast and has transcribed the basic character traits from them.

For that reason, I would treat this with a heavy dose of caution - audition-scripts under placeholder names are never good and very rarely relate to the real plot, in substance, because the showrunners are not going to want the actual script and plot to be leaked to, like, thousands of actors and then millions of people more before the show has even got its cast.

For what it's worth though, interesting that 'Eldien' (Galadriel?) is reportedly the 'main character' for the series.


(This post was edited by Althoun on Nov 25 2019, 8:29pm)


Mari D.
Rivendell


Nov 25 2019, 8:29pm

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Hmm ... yes, that seems like more auditions material to me too. [In reply to] Can't Post

Lots of code names and vague descriptions. They had to make the descriptions vague to not give away much, I guess, so I don't take it as an indicator of how the series will be tonally. These new descriptions seem in harmony with the leaked audition scripts, which seem to me like what happens when you have good material and try to obscure it on purpose, make it sound more vague, without putting too much artistry into the obfuscation method.

Happy name guessing, everyone ;) We should now have plenty of material to keep theorizing for weeks.


Archestratie
Rivendell

Nov 25 2019, 11:37pm

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For what it's worth though, interesting that 'Eldien' (Galadriel?) is reportedly the 'main character' for the series.


Anyone versed enough in Tolkien's linguistics able to tell if that's a masculine or feminine construction?


kzer_za
Lorien

Nov 26 2019, 12:02am

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Beldor and Neldor are probably Elrond and Elros [In reply to] Can't Post

First of all, many of commented on Will Poulter's Hugo Weaving resemblance.

Second, this is a decent description of Elrond, down to him being "young" by elf standards in the early-mid second age: an intelligent and political savvy protagonist who is nonetheless more reserved than his on-screen counterparts. Beldor will often be the straight-man in pairings with more out-sized personalities and, while young, will possess a gravitas that belies a character who could be far older.

Neldor is "a similar archetype as Beldor" and the name obvious suggests a relation.



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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Nov 26 2019, 12:25am

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Lady Eldien? [In reply to] Can't Post


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Anyone versed enough in Tolkien's linguistics able to tell if that's a masculine or feminine construction?


As with the name Lúthien, Eldien would be a feminine name, perhaps meaning 'daughter of the Eldar'.

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squire
Half-elven


Nov 26 2019, 12:42am

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I love the idea of this being the leaked character list for the earlier movie project. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Other series regulars may include Faramir, a strong but warm younger son of the Duke; Merry, a witty and fast-thinking scamp; Aragorn, a woodsman and warrior who is older than he seems; Butterbur, a cheerful but unreliable innkeeper; Boromir, the Duke’s older son with an ambitious soul; Lobelia, the miserly village wise-woman; Legolas, a handsome archer with a sense of timelessness; Theoden, an older man whose fatherly ways hide his history of violence; and Gimli, a grim joker who doesn’t know how to keep a secret. "



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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Nov 26 2019, 1:07am

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Exactly what I thought! [In reply to] Can't Post

I wrote a post about the new character descriptions - most of them are just vague guesses, but I immediately thought there must be a connection between Beldor and Neldor, and I've always thought Beldor was Elrond.
You can read my post here, if you'd like.
https://the-wide-screen-with-leith-skilling.com/amazon-prime/the-lord-of-the-rings/amazon-primes-lord-of-the-rings-main-characters-revealed/

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Solicitr
Rohan

Nov 26 2019, 7:24am

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On the way, their path is repeatedly beset by evil forces. First they are attacked by evil Orcs in the woods; next they are driven into the dark forest of Lothlorien, where they are imprisoned by the beautiful but evil Queen Beruthiel. They make their escape when Beruthiel's good sister, Galadriel, frees them from their prison-cell and floats them down the river in barrels.


Which was actually used by a lazy reporter for a major newspaper!


Mari D.
Rivendell


Nov 26 2019, 2:40pm

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Wow, thanks for the nice analysis, Thor 'n' Oakenshield! [In reply to] Can't Post

Pleasant to read!

I think your guesses of who might be who are good.

I notice the letters of "Elrond" are nearly the same as those of Beldor, only shuffled, and so, seeing there is a Neldor now, I am pretty convinced he is Elros ;-) How COOL to have them both as major characters! Well, if the guess-work proves true! But I think it's likely. Smile

Oh, but will one actor play them both???????


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Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Nov 26 2019, 2:50pm

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HOW??? [In reply to] Can't Post

How did they foul it up so, so badly and yet know the character Queen Beruthiel?? It's such an obscure character...wow.

On a side note, I'd love to see a spoof short video showing this! LOL Laugh

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Nov 26 2019, 3:02pm

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The Snark is strong in this one. [In reply to] Can't Post

The synopsis that was taken from was intentionally wrong, but the journalist was too dim-witted to notice:

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The London Sunday Times, in an article about Cate Blanchett's role as Galadriel in Peter Jackson's film version of The Lord of the Rings, demonstrated the high quality of its journalistic standards by choosing the Tolkien Sarcasm Page's synopsis of The Lord of the Rings as one of its primary sources. We at Flying Moose of Nargothrond applaud the Times' high standards of accuracy, journalistic integrity and wisdom.


Source: http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/blanchett.htm

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Cirashala
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Nov 26 2019, 3:09pm

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First rule of journalism [In reply to] Can't Post

ALWAYS check your source (facepalm).

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fantasywind
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Nov 26 2019, 5:43pm

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Where's Tauriel with her, "Why does it hurt so much?" hammy-acting with corny line when you need her. (Yes, some of this is admittedly painful).
On the reassuring side, these names include the audition-names using the purportedly mock-up audition scripts that we've already heard about, just plus some new ones.
Evidently, someone has been able to view the mock-up audition scenes for the cast and has transcribed the basic character traits from them.
For that reason, I would treat this with a heavy dose of caution - audition-scripts under placeholder names are never good and very rarely relate to the real plot, in substance, because the showrunners are not going to want the actual script and plot to be leaked to, like, thousands of actors and then millions of people more before the show has even got its cast.
For what it's worth though, interesting that 'Eldien' (Galadriel?) is reportedly the 'main character' for the series.


If these are only fake names for casting purposes that hide 'real identities' I'll be overjoyed, if not this will turn out to be biggest fanfiction in the history and my interest in the series will come down to zero. At least it would make sense for Galadriel to be one of main protagonists, after all main bulk of early Second Age is her playing the role of big mover and shaker of events, after all the UT account on SA is in large part in History of Galadriel and Celeborn. Mariner's Wife would be far better familydrama than this soap opera-esque thing that comes out of those names and character descriptions from article, I would watch proper adaptation not some most expensive fanfiction.

Single mother mentioned among those, maybe hopefull it's merely simplification of Erendis? :) *sigh* man can only dream. Well single mothers in Tolkien stories are single because a) their husbands are dead, b) they were captured by godlike Dark Lord and put on a stone chair for 30 years :) c) there are none of the single mothers because mother is dead and the child is an orphan. All those minor names only Neldor and few others seem like from actual Sindarin, neldor means 'beech', this ruggedly handsome soldier Calenon, could be Gil-galad? Oh who am I kidding they really could go on with this crap, but let's hope not, hope dies last as they say.

Tolkien wrote bits and pieces of actual dialogue between various characters in various stages of SA, why would they not use those and expand on them, ughh.


InTheChair
Lorien

Nov 26 2019, 8:01pm

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Ought to be placeholders [In reply to] Can't Post

It's difficult to imagine Amazon would spend exorbitant amounts of money on the rights, if they only intended to make up their own story anyway.

Not impossible though.


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Nov 26 2019, 9:00pm

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Fake names [In reply to] Can't Post

We would have definitely seen a couple of known names from the book among these characters if all these names are real. Even though they might make up a few characters, there are enough book-characters that have to be main players in the story, no matter where and when it takes place. I am 100% sure these names are fake to keep the story hidden from leaks.

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Althoun
Lorien

Nov 26 2019, 10:13pm

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We would have definitely seen a couple of known names from the book among these characters if all these names are real. Even though they might make up a few characters, there are enough book-characters that have to be main players in the story, no matter where and when it takes place. I am 100% sure these names are fake to keep the story hidden from leaks.


Agreed, 'Oren' is very clearly Sauron anyway and if 'Beldor' (reserved, politically astute (i.e. "wise") warrior Elf who was too young to fight in the War of Wrath and is being portrayed by Hugo Weaving look-a-like Will Poulter) is not Elrond, I'd be absolutely shocked.

So I think we can, at bare minimum, identify the identities of those two characters - and arguably (although not definitively) 'Eldien' being Galadriel.

The others will, no doubt, be a mixture of 'canon' and 'new' characters - but the names are all placeholders (as is the dialogue and events in the audition scripts).


uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Nov 26 2019, 11:55pm

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I rather think what little we see about "Eldien" makes her sound much more like Celebrían, for whatever it's worth; of course I am quick to think of her, I've come to think the arc of her family has some of the richest potential in the second age. I kind of hope it means they were trying on a dynamic between her and Elrond in casting, but I'd like to think the sentiments could be better done. Of course casting aspersions from the cheap seats is easy...


Archestratie
Rivendell

Nov 27 2019, 12:36am

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We would have definitely seen a couple of known names from the book among these characters if all these names are real. Even though they might make up a few characters, there are enough book-characters that have to be main players in the story, no matter where and when it takes place. I am 100% sure these names are fake to keep the story hidden from leaks.


Agreed, 'Oren' is very clearly Sauron anyway and if 'Beldor' (reserved, politically astute (i.e. "wise") warrior Elf who was too young to fight in the War of Wrath and is being portrayed by Hugo Weaving look-a-like Will Poulter) is not Elrond, I'd be absolutely shocked.

So I think we can, at bare minimum, identify the identities of those two characters - and arguably (although not definitively) 'Eldien' being Galadriel.

The others will, no doubt, be a mixture of 'canon' and 'new' characters - but the names are all placeholders (as is the dialogue and events in the audition scripts).


Yep, 100% agree. If this is not the case I'll eat my hat. Well, no, not my hat, but my words LOL!

Man, my anticipation increases!!!!


Eruonen
Valinor


Nov 27 2019, 5:11am

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But who will play "Shiningmane-tar" the hunky, smoldering horse warden? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Mari D.
Rivendell


Nov 27 2019, 12:51pm

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Same! / [In reply to] Can't Post


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Man, my anticipation increases!!!!



2ndBreffest
Lorien


Nov 27 2019, 3:31pm

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yup [In reply to] Can't Post

so far, everything is pointing to this turning out to be absolute trash.


AshNazg
Gondor


Nov 29 2019, 12:31am

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Beldor, Neldor, Gondor, Mordor... [In reply to] Can't Post

Doesn’t ‘dor’ mean ‘land’ in Tolkien’s linguistics?

I think the show runners probably wouldn’t make an error like that unless they did zero research. The names are definitely fake.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Nov 29 2019, 10:34am

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'dor' in Elvish [In reply to] Can't Post


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Doesn’t ‘dor’ mean ‘land’ in Tolkien’s linguistics?

I think the show runners probably wouldn’t make an error like that unless they did zero research. The names are definitely fake.

Generally, yes; in both Sindarin and Quenya, 'dor' means land:
- Arnor ('royal-land')
- Endor ('middle-land'; Middle-earth)
- Eriador ('lonely-land')
- Gondor ('stone-land')
- Mordor ('black-land')
- Doriath (land of the fence)

I do find several examples of 'dor' as part of personal names: Dora Baggins; Dori of the Company of Thorin Oakenshield; Dorlas, an Adan of Brethil.

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