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Elf-Man pairings before the choice of the Half Elven


Oct 17, 8:11pm

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Elf-Man pairings before the choice of the Half Elven Can't Post

In the years before the choice was given to be Elf or Man to the Half Elven, where did the souls of Men bonded with Elves go and vice versa? IE, where did Dior's soul go, as the son of Beren (a Man) and Luthien (an Elf)? What of the soul of Nimloth his wife, given that she was bonded to him? Did Maeglin not think things through regarding the eternal bonds between Idril and Tuor when he tried to rape Idril and how that would make his schemes fruitless?

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Oct 17, 8:27pm

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My best guess. [In reply to] Can't Post

I would speculate that Half-elven not descended from Eärendil and Elwing default to the Doom of Men. This would include any undocumented Half-elves such as the ancestor(s) of Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth.

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Oct 18, 1:26pm

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The Valar didn't have the power to take away the Gift of Men; the judgment of Earendil, Elwing and their offspring was a special case, in which Manwe was given authority by Eru. Otherwise, any part-Man was a Man, period.

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Nov 12, 2:12am

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What would happen to the elf half of the interracial marriages pre-Earendil and Elwing? We know that the Mannish half would still die due to the Gift of Men, but what would happen to the elf that wed him/her (I say her solely to touch upon the ill-fated romance of Aegnor and Andreth, since if there hadn't been a war undoubtedly that would have ended in marriage as well)?
I would wonder, given the emphasis upon which Tolkien ascribed to elven marriage bonds (truly unbreakable, except in Finwe and Miriel's case), what would happen to an elf who had bonded with a mortal in marriage. Would they be automatically granted and/or offered the Gift of Men, or would they be doomed to live forever after the death of their spouse (likely perish from grief and go to the Halls of Mandos, but then what?).

If that were the case-that they'd live in grief forever afterward (either in Valinor, or in ME itself), then I can definitely understand why such a marriage would have been very rare. The elf in question would have to accept that they would experience grief and being alone for the rest of their lives, and whether or not they could endure such permanent separation from their deceased spouse.

But if their two souls became one, then one has to wonder what would become of the non-mortal spouses after the mortal one died.

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Nov 12, 4:54pm

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Eternal separation [In reply to] Can't Post

which is why it almost never happened. Aegnor turned down Andreth largely for that reason. Mithrellas did a runner on Imrazor rather than get too attached. It was painful enough for Luthien and Arwen, to remain with their hubbies but say goodbye forever to their parents and blood kin.


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