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Peter Jackson vs Tolkien: Five Things the Films Did Better Than the Books
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CuriousG
Half-elven


Jul 16, 2:46pm

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Ancient Egyptians thought of themselves as a nation-state and believed they should be united under their native ruler, not some foreigner. The ancient Greeks had a sense of being a nation ("we are Greeks; everyone else is a barbarian") even though they were in autonomous city-states. I don't know Chinese history well, but they seemed to have the nation-state idea down early too.

And I remember sitting in a university class in the 1980s when a poli sci professor (that's my major) told us modern nationalism all started with the Treaty of Westphalia, and I thought, so what about the preceding 4000 years of history?" It does come down to splitting hairs about definitions which are purely academic.


CMackintosh
The Shire

Oct 19, 8:08am

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Thoughts reworked as dialogs [In reply to] Can't Post

and given to other characters - the best example was during the siege of Gondor when Pippin asks Gandalf about dying and gets Frodo's vision of the Blessed Realm given to him as Gandalf's experience dying after fighting the Balrog.


Saruman
Bree


Oct 29, 8:56pm

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Good article, and I agree with most of it (and my list of what PJ did better would be much longer, actually), but am I the only one who likes book Boromir better than film Boromir? Maybe it's because I'm not high on Sean Bean like the rest of the world. He's alright, but he didn't bring Boromir to life for me. I saw the films before I read the books, but I found my love for Boromir when I read the books.

Movie Boromir is, by far, more disrespectful than book Boromir. Take the scene when Boromir sees Aragorn in Rivendell, picks up the shards of Narsil (A FAMILY HEIRLOOM), drops the blade, and doesn't even care enough to pick it up. Completely disrespectful and immediately paints Boromir in a bad light. Book Boromir is certainly full of pride, probably more than movie Boromir, but book Boromir would have picked up the hilt, instead of muttering "no more than a broken heirloom." I think many of you completely forget a lot of moments that book Boromir had that showed his morality. I don't remember the exact quote, so I may be paraphrasing, but before the Fellowship sets out of Rivendell Boromir blows his horn, much to Elrond's dismay. He replies that "though thereafter we will walk in the shadows, I will not go forth as a thief in the night." People will take that action as they will -- overly pompous, or what not -- but I see it as a reflection of Boromir's conviction and moral high ground.

There are more reasons, that perhaps I'll get into later. But for me, Book Boromir is way better than movie Boromir.

"I have seen it..."


Paulo Gabriel
Rivendell

Oct 30, 2:17pm

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Which chapter of the book is this in? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Saruman
Bree


Oct 30, 6:38pm

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The Ring Goes South [In reply to] Can't Post

Not sure if you're asking me what chapter that scene is in, but I'm almost positive it's in "The Ring Goes South," right before the Fellowship set out from Rivendell.

"I have seen it..."


Paulo Gabriel
Rivendell

Oct 31, 12:36am

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Thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

I found it.

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