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Environment conflict in the Silmarillion

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Sep 6, 11:35pm

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Or at least potential conflict in the Silmarillion. In all of its tragedy, there was one little potential incident which caught my eye and has not been discussed to much. At the coming of Men into Beleriand the Green Elves of Ossiriand made a plea to Fingon to move them on as 'they are makers of stone and hewers of trees.' they also said that they would afflict the men with all means that they could if Fingon did not. Now this could have become quite nasty if the Men had not moved on. After all from their point of view the Men would say that they had to fell trees to create shelter. A war between Green-Elves and Man at that time could have been very unpleasant.


CuriousG
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Sep 7, 2:24am

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That could mean war, or maybe just harassment and vandalism [In reply to] Can't Post

IIRC, they also disliked that Men ate animals, and Finrod was vacationing in East Beleriand so he could go hunting. So, that would have made him an unfriend too.

War was possible between the Green-Elves and the Edain, but I think that given their secretive nature and lack of heavy armaments, it would have been guerrilla warfare, and maybe burning down their houses when they away from home or whatever. But you raise a good question: would the Men have stayed and fought, or just moved on?


Solicitr
Rohan

Sep 7, 12:33pm

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don't think the objection was that the Laiquendi were vegetarians!* Their fear was that the Men would take all the animals themselves and leave nothing for the Elves to hunt.

To my knowledge none of the peoples Tolkien wrote were vegetarians, except for the Ents (who actually were "mineralians"), and the unique figures of Bombadil and Beorn.

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*The Green-elves' mode of warfare was one which could only be maintained by a hunting people. Tolkien's model rather plainly was the woodland Indians; Hiawatha was one of his favorite stories.


CuriousG
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Sep 7, 4:13pm

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Just to get the quote right [In reply to] Can't Post

unless we have different versions of The Silmarillion:


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For we desire no strangers in this land to break the peace in which we live. And these folk are hewers of trees and hunters of beasts; therefore we are their unfriends, and if they will not depart we shall afflict them in all ways that we can.

Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Silmarillion (p. 138). HMH Books. Kindle Edition.


 
 

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