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Today in Middle-earth

Let's catch up and see what everyone is doing Today in Middle-earth.


41 days in Mirkwood
September 6, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bilbo learns how to make his way through Thranduil's Caverns
(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."Eventually... ...by watching and following the guards and taking what chances he could, he managed to find out where each dwarf was kept. He found all their twelve cells in different parts of the palace, and after a time he got to know his way about very well."

September 6, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. Frodo prepares to leave Bag End.
(not from the appendices)

[Frodo's plans to move to his little house at Crickhollow in the country beyond Bucklebury are well underway.]
..."Frodo was also growing increasingly anxious about the delay of Gandalf's return. Bilbo's birthday, the chosen day of Frodo's departure, was fast approaching and there was still no word from the wizard."

September 6, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. They (the Travellers) halt in the sight of the Mountain of Moria.
(from the appendices)

..."They were near to the Gates of Moria... ...Here now for seven days they tarried, for the time was at hand for another parting which they were loth to make. Soon Celeborn and Galadriel and their folk would turn eastward, and so pass by the Redhorn Gate and down the Dimrill Stair to the Silverlode and to their own country."

September 6, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
1. Summer comes to an end in the Shire.
(not from the appendices)

..."In the Southfarthing the vines were laden, and the yield of 'leaf' was astonishing; and everywhere there was so much corn that at Harvest every barn was stuffed."

September 6, 3021 (S.R. 1421)
1. Frodo seems to become more content.
(not from the appendices-no text)

...Sam 's mind was eased and his concern for Frodo lessened as it seemed his master was more content than he'd been in many months. The restless nights were fewer now, and Frodo seemed to find great satisfaction in the progress he was making with his book. There were picnics with Sam, Rosie and little Elanor under the mallorn tree, peaceful hikes to the far ends of the Shire, and even a long visit with old Farmer Maggot. Though once he did tell Sam he'd be away for a fortnight and was last seen near Crickhollow riding toward the old High Hay hedges.



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Sep 7, 12:05pm

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September 7, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bilbo finds Thorin's cell.
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."What was his surprise one day to overhear some of the guards talking and to learn that there was another dwarf in prison too, in a specially deep dark place. He guessed at once... ...that that was Thorin; and after a while he found that his guess was right. At last after many difficulties he managed to find the place when no one was about, and to have a word with the chief of the dwarves.
...Thorin was too wretched to be angry any longer at his misfortunes, and was even beginning to think of telling the king all about his treasure and his quest... ...when he heard Bilbo's little voice at his keyhole. He could hardly believe his ears. Soon however he made up his mind that he could not be mistaken, and he came to the door and had a long whispered talk with the hobbit on the other side."


September 7, 3001 (S.R. 1401)
1. The Shire is visited by outsiders.
(not from the appendices)

..."Days passed and The Day drew nearer. An odd-looking waggon laden with odd-looking packages rolled into Hobbiton one evening and toiled up the Hill to Bag End. The startled hobbits peered out of lamplit doors to gape at it. It was driven by outlandish folk, singing strange songs: dwarves with long beards and deep hoods. A few of them remained at Bag End."




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September 8, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The White Council meets.
(not from the appendices-determined from text)

..."...ever the shadow in Mirkwood grew deeper, and to Dol Guldur evil things repaired out of all the dark places of the world... ...united again under one will, and their malice was directed against the Elves and the survivors of Númenor. Therefore at last the Council was again summoned and the lore of the Rings was much debatedut Mithrandir spoke to the Council, saying:
..."'It is not needed that the Ring should be found, for while it abides on earth and is not unmade, still the power that it holds will live, and Sauron will grow and have hope..."


PS: On September 8, 1966 - Star Trek first aired

Live long and prosper




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Sep 9, 10:12am

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Here is the first of a series of Book Spoilers that looks at events leading up to the meeting of the White Council... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age


..."Mithrandir was closest in counsel with Elrond and the Elves. He wandered far in the North and West and made never in any land any lasting abode... ...and he it was that most doubted the darkness in Mirkwood, for though many deemed that it was wrought by the Ringwraiths, he feared that it was indeed the first shadow of Sauron returning... ... he went to Dol Guldur, and the Sorcerer fled from him, and there was a watchful peace for a long while. But at length the Shadow returned and its power increased... ...in that time was first made the Council of the Wise that is called the White Council, and therein were Elrond and Galadriel and Círdan, and other lords of the Eldar, and with them were Mithrandir and Curunír... ...Curunír (that was Saruman the White) was chosen to be their chief, for he had most studied the devices of Sauron of old. Galadriel... ...wished that Mithrandir should be the Lead of the Council... ...but Mithrandir refused the office, since he would have no ties and no allegiance, save to those who sent him, and he would abide in no place nor be subject to any summons. But Saruman now began to study the lore of the Rings of Power, their making and their history."



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CuriousG
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Sep 9, 6:23pm

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Once upon a time, both sci-fi and fantasy were considered fringe elements [In reply to] Can't Post

So we can thank Star Trek and Tolkien for their contributions in making them more mainstream.


CuriousG
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Sep 9, 6:28pm

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Gandalf was sort of a humble-brag, wasn't he? [In reply to] Can't Post

As in: "look at how humble I am, too humble to head the Council that seeks to destroy Sauron, even though that's my sole mission here." It seems more pride than humility at the core. He certainly had plenty of "ties" to hobbits, Elrond, and Galadriel.

Or that's what you say when you turn down a job when the real reason is they didn't offer you enough money or the commute would be too long.


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Galadriel... ...wished that Mithrandir should be the Lead of the Council... ...but Mithrandir refused the office, since he would have no ties and no allegiance, save to those who sent him, and he would abide in no place nor be subject to any summons.




CuriousG
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Who's who on the White Council [In reply to] Can't Post


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But at length the Shadow returned and its power increased... ...in that time was first made the Council of the Wise that is called the White Council, and therein were Elrond and Galadriel and Círdan, and other lords of the Eldar, and with them were Mithrandir and Curunír.


Interesting that there's no mention of Radagast. I figured he'd be an ex officio member at least. Maybe he just never showed up.

And of course saying, "other lords of the Eldar" is going to keep me up at night, wondering who they were: Erestor? Glorfindel? Thranduil? Well, Celeborn isn't mentioned, but I imagine he's a member too, or that marriage was just totally headed for failure.


grammaboodawg
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Tue, 10:34am

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Here is another of a series of Book Spoilers that looks at events leading up to the meeting of the White Council... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age


..."Now the Shadow grew ever greater, and the hearts of Elrond and Mithrandir darkened. Therefore... ...Mithrandir at great peril went again to Dol Guldur and the pits of the Sorcerer, and he discovered the truth of his fears, and escaped... ...returning to Elrond he said:
...‘True, alas, is our guess. This is not one of the Úlairi, as many have long supposed. It is Sauron himself who has taken shape again and now grows apace... ...he is gathering again all the Rings to his hand; and he seeks ever for news of the One, and of the Heirs of Isildur, if they live still on earth...’
......Elrond answered: ‘In the hour that Isildur took the Ring and would not surrender it, this doom was wrought, that Sauron should return.’
... ‘Yet the One was lost,' said Mithrandir, ‘and while it still lies hid, we can master the Enemy, if we gather our strength and tarry not too long.'
... Then the White Council was summoned; and Mithrandir urged them to swift deeds, but Curunír spoke against him, and counselled them to wait yet and to watch.
... ‘For I believe not,' said he, ‘that the One will ever be found again in Middle-earth. Into Anduin it fell,... ...I deem, it was rolled to the Sea. There it shall lie until the end, when all this world is broken and the deeps are removed.'
... Therefore naught was done at that time, though Elrond's heart misgave him... ...he said to Mithrandir:
... 'Nonetheless I forbode that the One will yet be found, and then war will arise again, and in that war this Age will be ended. Indeed in a second darkness it will end, unless some strange chance deliver us that my eyes cannot see.’
... 'Many are the strange chances of the world,' said Mithrandir, 'and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the Wise falter.'"



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grammaboodawg
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Tue, 11:28am

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There's that one part [In reply to] Can't Post

in the description of his reason for refusing the office... "...since he would have no ties and no allegiance, save to those who sent him... " sounds like it was part of his charge when he was sent here. You can't properly head a committee, meeting, or war when you're on the Road... and Saruman lost track of HIS purpose as soon as he took up residency in Orthanc. So I don't necessarily see it as a humble-brag but as an explanation of why he wouldn't/couldn't commit to one place or one cause. But he is, I'm sure, allowed to have favourite places... like the Shire. I'm thinking he felt the most "at home" there as he so thoroughly enjoyed those silly hobbits and their simple way of life. Like a wonderful vacation. He was careful to keep them secret and safe... but it became more difficult when Bilbo himself gave up their existence while debating with Gollum.

It seems that the one time Gandalf did respond to a summons (when Saruman sent Radagast to "find" Gandalf and send him to Orthanc), he was betrayed and imprisoned. It tells me that any time Gandalf was drawn to other "meetings" it was probably via the thought-sharing method commonly used between Elrond, Galadriel, etc. In this case, Saruman didn't expose his thoughts to Gandalf when he (Saruman) wanted to summon Gandalf because he knew more of his intention might be revealed.


Ahh... the White Council. I've never found an official list in the stories/appendices, but it was primarily made up of Ring-bearers (Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel) and Círdan (former Ring-bearer) and other Wizards and Elves to include Glorfindel (Firstborn/faced the 9), Saruman and Radagast. There must have been others (Celeborn, Thranduil?). It would stand to reason that Celeborn would be there and Radagast/Thranduil since the confrontation was in their neighbourhood... Mirkwood. I'll bet there are TORnsibbies who are MUCH more knowledgeable about this than I am :D



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Nearly everyone you mention here are on my list of possible members. I'm also wondering if Elrond's sons, Elrohir and Ellada, were there? Erestor... he'd be a logical member, too... you're right! What about the Blue Wizards? I know they went out on their own... but they probably would have been included. Wasn't there a shout-out to Tom Bombadil, too? ;)



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CuriousG
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Oh, to be a fly on the wall [In reply to] Can't Post

I love this conversation between the two titans, Gandalf and Elrond. I'd like to be a fly on the wall and listen in on their other conversations--they know what's going on more than anyone, and they cut to the chase quickly.


CuriousG
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So I think you're saying he was too much of a maverick to be a committee head [In reply to] Can't Post

and also, unlike my interpretation, that he was too devoted to his true mission to get sidetracked with meeting notes, agendas, and settling disputes about who sat at the head of the table. Which is all quite viable. It seems his favorite abodes were the Shire and Rivendell. Possibly Lorien too, since the Elves there sang quite a lament for him after he died in Moria, and why sing for a stranger?

I am back to wondering why Galadriel, who summoned the White Council, didn't just lead it herself. If she had the power to summon the potentates, why not lead them? But that seemed something that Tolkien was keen on: making her powerful, but not too powerful, which included not giving her the title Queen of Lorien, having to settle for the lesser one of Lady. (And I'm no expert in peerage law, but shouldn't she have become High Queen of the Noldor in Middle-earth after Gil-Galad was dead?)


CuriousG
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Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! My darling!

Sung over and over like "100 bottles of beer on the wall," that would drive out even the dougtiest dark lord from their stronghold.


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This is a Book Spoiler to honour and in memory of the day...for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

September 11 [ 9/11 ]

The Stairs of Cirith Ungol: The Two Towers


[Sam speaking with Frodo] "...we shouldn't be here at all, if we'd known more about it before we started. But I suppose it's often that way. The brave things in the old tales and songs... ...adventures, as I used to call them. I used to think that they were things the wonderful folk of the stories went out and looked for, because they wanted them, because they were exciting and life was a bit dull, a kind of a sport... ...But that's not the way of it with the tales that really mattered, or the ones that stay in the mind. Folk seem to have been just landed in them, usually--their paths were laid that way... ...But I expect they had lots of chances... ...of turning back, only they didn't. And if they had, we shouldn't know, because they'd have been forgotten. We hear about those as just went on--and not all to a good end, mind you; at least not to what folk inside a story and not outside it call a good end. You know, coming home, and finding things all right, though not quite the same--like old Mr. Bilbo. But those aren't always the best tales to hear, though they may be the best tales to get landed in!"





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CuriousG
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Very nice tribute to Sept 11--thank you. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's hard to believe it happened 18 years ago when it's carved into your consciousness the way it was for many of us. An entire generation has grown up with it as just another fact of history, without the gut-level attachment, like the Fall of Rome or Columbus discovering American islands. Significant in the scheme of things, but not emotional.


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Here is another of a series of Book Spoilers that looks at events leading up to the meeting of the White Council... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age


..."Orcs were mustering, and far to the east and the south the wild peoples were arming. Then in the midst of gathering fear and the rumour of war, the foreboding of Elrond was proved true, and the One Ring was indeed found again, by a chance more strange than even Mithrandir had foreseen; and it was hidden from Curunír and from Sauron. For it had been taken from Anduin... ...being found by one of the small fisher-folk that dwelt by the River... ...and by its finder it was brought beyond search into dark hiding under the roots of the mountains. There it dwelt, until even in the year of the assault upon Dol Guldur it was found again, by a wayfarer, fleeing into the depths of the earth from the pursuit of the Orcs, and passed into a far distant country, even to the land of the Periannath... ...the Halflings, who dwelt in the west of Eriador. And ere that day they had been held of small account by Elves and by Men, and neither Sauron nor any of the Wise save Mithrandir had in all their counsels given thought to them."



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September 13, 3018 (S.R. 3018)
1. The days go by in Bag End.
(not from the appendices)

..."Autumn was well under way before Frodo began to worry about Gandalf again. September was passing and there was still no news of him. The Birthday, and the removal, drew nearer, and still he did not come, or send word."

September 13, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. Celeborn and Galadriel depart, the others set out for Rivendell.
(not from the appendices)

...[The Company lingered near the Silverlode] "...But at length all was said, and they parted again for a while, until it was time for the Three Rings to pass away. Quickly fading into the stones and the shadows the grey-cloaked people of Lórien road towards the mountain; and those who were going to Rivendell sat on the hill and watched, until there came out of the gathering mist a flash; and then they saw no more. Frodo knew that Galadriel had held aloft her ring in token of farewell. Sam turned away and sighed: 'I wish I was going back to Lórien!'"



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September 14, 3001 (S.R. 1401)
1. A waggon is spotted on the road.
(not from the appendices)

..."Days passed and The Day drew nearer... ...At the end of the second week in September a cart came in through Bywater from the direction of Brandywine Bridge in broad daylight. An old man was driving it all alone. He wore a tall pointed blue hat, a long grey cloak, and a silver scarf. He had a long white beard and bushy eyebrows that stuck out beyond the brim of his hat. Small hobbit-children ran after the cart all through Hobbiton and right up the hill. It had a cargo of fireworks... ...At Bilbo's front door the old man began to unload: there were great bundles of fireworks of all sorts and shapes, each labelled with a large red G and the elf-rune


...That was Gandalf's mark... ...and the old man was Gandalf the wizard, whose fame in the Shire was due mainly to his skill with fires, smokes, and lights. His real business was far more difficult and dangerous, but the Shire-folk new nothing about it.... ...he was just one of the 'attractions' at the Party.
...When the old man, helped by Bilbo and some dwarves, had finished unloading, Bilbo gave a few pennies away; but not a single squib or cracker was forthcoming, to the disappointment of the onlookers.
...'Run away now!' said Gandalf. 'You will get plenty when the time comes.' Then he disappeared inside with Bilbo, and the door was shut. The young hobbits stared at the door in vain for a while, and then they made off, feeling that the day of the party would never come."



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