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Today in Middle-earth

August 22, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bilbo fights off spiders; Thorin captured by the Woodland Elves.
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."[Bilbo] sat himself down with his back to a tree, and not for the last time fell to thinking of his far-distant hobbit-hole with its beautiful pantries. He was deep in thoughts of bacon and eggs and toast and butter when... ...he felt something touch him. Something like a strong sticky string was against his left hand, and when he tried to move he found that his legs were already wrapped in the same stuff, so that when he got up he fell over.
...Then the great spider, who had been busy tying him up while he dozed, came from behind him and came at him.... ...He beat the creature off with his hands—it was trying to poison him to keep him quiet... ...until he remembered his sword and drew it out. Then the spider jumped back, and he had time to cut his legs loose. After that it was his turn to attack. The spider evidently was not used to things that carried such stings at their sides... ...Bilbo came at it... ...and struck it with his sword right in the eyes. Then it went mad and leaped and danced and flung out its legs in horrible jerks, until he killed it with another stroke; and then he fell down and remembered nothing more for a long time.
...There was the usual dim grey light of the forest-day about him when he came to his senses. The spider lay dead beside him, and his sword-blade was stained black. Somehow the killing of the giant spider, all alone by himself in the dark without the help of the wizard or the dwarves or of anyone else, made a great difference to Mr. Baggins. He felt a different person, and much fiercer and bolder... ...he wiped his sword on the grass and put it back into its sheath.
..."I will give you a name," he said to it, "and I shall call you Sting."

......he made as good a guess as he could at the direction from which the cries for help had come in the night... ...He had picked his way stealthily for some distance, when he noticed a place of dense black shadow ahead of him black even for that forest, like a patch of midnight that had never been cleared away. As he drew nearer, he saw that it was made by spider-webs one behind and over and tangled with another... ...Bilbo was horrified, now that he noticed them for the first time dangling in the shadows, to see a dwarvish foot sticking out of the bottoms of some of the bundles, or here and there the tip of a nose, or a bit of beard or of a hood.

......The idea came to him to lead the furious spiders further and further away from the dwarves... ...to make them curious, excited and angry all at once. When about fifty had gone off to the place where he had stood before, he threw some more stones at these, and at others that had stopped behind; then dancing among the trees he began to sing a song to infuriate them and bring them all after him, and also to let the dwarves hear his voice. This is what he sang:

Old fat spider spinning in a tree!
Old fat spider can't see me!
Attercop! Attercop!
Won't you stop,
Stop your spinning and look for me!

Old Tomnoddy, all big body,
Old Tomnoddy can't spy me!
Attercop! Attercop!
Down you drop!
You'll never catch me up your tree!


......As he sang he threw some more stones and stamped. Practically all the spiders in the place came after him: some dropped to the ground, others raced along the branches... ...Out came his little sword. He slashed the threads to pieces and went off singing.... ...They followed him into the forest until Bilbo had gone as far as he dared. Then quieter than a mouse he stole back...

......He had precious little time, he knew, before the spiders were disgusted and came back to their trees where the dwarves were hung....
......the other dwarves were working at the rest of the captives, and cutting at the threads with their knives. Soon all would be free...
......Down the dwarves scrambled or jumped or dropped, eleven all in a heap, most of them very shaky and little use on their legs. There they were at last, twelve of them counting poor old Bombur, who was being propped up on either side by his cousin Bifur, and his brother Bofur; and Bilbo was dancing about and waving his Sting; and hundreds of angry spiders were goggling at them all round and about and above. It looked pretty hopeless...
......Then the battle began. Some of the dwarves had knives, and some had sticks, and all of them could get at stones; and Bilbo had his elvish dagger. Again and again the spiders were beaten off, and many of them were killed. But it could not go on for long.... ...In the end Bilbo could think of no plan except to let the dwarves into the secret of his ring... ...He suddenly slipped on his ring, and to the great astonishment of the dwarves he vanished."


August 22, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. They come to Isengard; they take leave of the King of the West at Sunset.
(from the appendices)

..."From Deeping Coomb they rode to Isengard, and saw how the Ents had busied themselves. All the stone-circle had been thrown down and removed, and the land within was made into a garden filled with orchards and trees, and a stream ran through it; but in the midst of all there was a lake of clear water, and out of it the Tower of Orthanc rose still, tall and impregnable...
......For a while the travellers sat where once the old gates of Isengard had stood... ...But presently they heard a voice calling hoom-hom, hoom-hom; and there came Treebeard striding down the path to greet them with Quickbeam at his side.
...'Welcome to the Treegarth of Orthanc!.... ...Will you stay here and rest a while? And maybe there are some that would be pleased to pass through Fangorn Forest and so shorten their road home?' He looked at Celeborn and Galadriel.
...But all save Legolas said that they must now take their leave and depart either south or west. 'Come, Gimli!' said Legolas. 'Now by Fangorn's leave I will visit the deep places of the Entwood and see such trees as are nowhere else to be found in Middle-earth. You shall come with me and keep your word; and thus we will journey on together to our own lands in Mirkwood and beyond.' To this Gimli agreed....
...'...Here then at last comes the ending of the Fellowship of the Ring,' said Aragorn. 'Yet I hope that ere long you will return to my land with the help that you promised.'
...'We will come, if our own lords allow it,' said Gimli. 'Well, farewell, my hobbits! You should come safe to your own homes now, and I shall not be kept awake for fear of your peril. We will send word when we may, and some of us may yet meet at times; but I fear that we shall not all be gathered together ever again.'
...Then Treebeard said farewell... ...and he bowed three times slowly and with great reverence to Celeborn and Galadriel. 'It is long, long since we met by stock or by stone, A vanimar, vanimálion nostari!' he said. 'It is sad that we should meet only thus at the ending. For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air. I do not think we shall meet again.'
...And Celeborn said: 'I do not know, Eldest.' But Galadriel said: 'Not in Middle-earth, or until the lands that lie under the wave are lifted up again. Then in the willow-meads of Tasarinan we may meet in the Spring. Farewell!'
...Last of all Merry and Pippin said good-bye to the old Ent, and he grew gayer as he looked at them. 'Well, my merry folk... ...will you drink another draught with me before you go?'
...'Indeed we will,' they said, and he took them aside into the shade of one of the trees...
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......The travellers now rode with more speed, and they made their way towards the Gap of Rohan; and Aragorn took leave of them at last close to that very place where Pippin had looked into the Stone of Orthanc. The Hobbits were grieved at this parting; for Aragorn had never failed them and he had been their guide through many perils.
...'I wish we could have a Stone that we could see all our friends in,' said Pippin, 'and that we could speak to them from far away!'
...'Only one now remains that you could use,' answered Aragorn... '...But the Palantír of Orthanc the King will keep, to see what is passing in his realm, and what his servants are doing. For do not forget, Peregrin Took, that you are a knight of Gondor, and I do not release you from your service.... ...And remember, dear friends of the Shire, that my realm lies also in the North, and I shall come there one day...'
......With that they parted, and it was then the time of sunset; and when after a while they turned and looked back, they saw the King of the West sitting upon his horse with his knights about him; and the falling Sun shone upon them and made all their harness to gleam like red gold, and the white mantle of Aragorn was turned to a flame. Then Aragorn took the green stone and held it up, and there came a green fire from his hand."


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grammaboodawg
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Aug 23, 11:25am

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Today in Middle-earth

August 23, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The dwarves surrender when surrounded by Elves, but Bilbo uses Ring and disappears.
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."...after the battle with the spiders Bilbo and the dwarves made one last despairing effort to find a way out before they died of hunger and thirst... ...when suddenly out sprang the light of many torches all round them, like hundreds of red stars. Out leaped Wood-elves with their bows and spears and called the dwarves to halt.
...There was no thought of a fight. Even if the dwarves had not been in such a state that they were actually glad to be captured, their small knives, the only weapons they had, would have been of no use against the arrows of the elves... ...So they simply stopped dead and sat down and waited—all except Bilbo, who popped on his ring and slipped quickly to one side. That is why, when the elves bound the dwarves in a long line, one behind the other, and counted them, they never found or counted the hobbit.
...Nor did they hear or feel him trotting along well behind their torch-light as they led off their prisoners into the forest... ...Bilbo had all he could do to keep up with the torches, for the elves were making the dwarves go as fast as ever they could, sick and weary as they were...
......Across this bridge the elves thrust their prisoners, but Bilbo hesitated in the rear. He did not at all like the look of the cavern-mouth and he only made up his mind not to desert his friends just in time to scuttle over at the heels of the last elves, before the great gates of the king closed behind them with a clang."


August 23, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. Frodo prepares to leave Bag End.
(not from the appendices)

..."'Merry Brandybuck is looking out for a nice little hole for me, or perhaps a small house.'
...As a matter of fact with Merry's help he had already chosen and bought a little house at Crickhollow in the country beyond Bucklebury. To all but Sam he pretended he was going to settle down there permanently. The decision to set out eastwards had suggested the idea to him; for Buckland was on the eastern borders of the Shire, and as he had lived there in childhood his going back would at least seem credible."


August 23, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The company has parted from the King Elessar
(not from the appendices)

..."Soon the dwindling company, following the Isen, turned west and rode through the Gap into the waste lands beyond, and then they turned northwards, and passed over the borders of Dunland. The Dunlendings fled and hid themselves, for they were afraid of Elvish folk, though few indeed ever came to their country; but the travellers did not heed them, for they were still a great company and were well provided with all that they needed; and they went on their way at their leisure, setting up their tents when they would..."


August 23, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
1. The Shire still recovers
(not from the appendices)

..."Altogether 1420 in the Shire was a marvellous year. Not only was there wonderful sunshine and delicious rain, in due times and perfect measure, but there seemed something more: an air of richness and growth, and a gleam of a beauty beyond that of mortal summers that flicker and pass upon this Middle-earth."


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grammaboodawg
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Aug 24, 10:31am

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August 24-September 6, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bilbo tries to adapt to life in hiding.
(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."Poor Mr. Baggins---it was a weary long time that he lived in that place all alone, and always in hiding, never daring to take off his ring, hardly daring to sleep, even tucked away in the darkest and remotest corners... ...he took to wandering about the Elvenking's palace. Magic shut the gates, but he could sometimes get out, if he was quick. Companies of the Wood-elves, sometimes with the king at their head, would from time to time ride out to hunt, or to other business in the woods and in the lands to the East. Then if Bilbo was very nimble, he could slip out just behind them... ...which was not very often... ...He did not wish to desert the dwarves, and indeed he did not know where in the world to go without them.... ...He was hungry too outside, for he was no hunter; but inside the caves he could pick up a living of some sort of stealing food from store or table when no one was at hand.
..."I am a burglar that can't get away, but must go on miserably burgling the same house day after day... ...I wish I was back in my hobbit-hole by my own warm fireside with the lamp shining!" He often wished, too, that he could get a message for help sent to the wizard, but that of course was quite impossible; and he soon realized that if anything was to be done, it would have to be done by Mr. Baggins, alone and unaided."



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CuriousG
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Aug 24, 6:26pm

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One of Bilbo's turning points [In reply to] Can't Post

which is why I like this passage a lot. No more "Help me, help me!" from him. Thanks for posting it.

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"I am a burglar that can't get away, but must go on miserably burgling the same house day after day... ...I wish I was back in my hobbit-hole by my own warm fireside with the lamp shining!" He often wished, too, that he could get a message for help sent to the wizard, but that of course was quite impossible; and he soon realized that if anything was to be done, it would have to be done by Mr. Baggins, alone and unaided."




grammaboodawg
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Aug 24, 9:31pm

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I agree... he really takes a turn here. I also think that this and the Riddle games prepared him to deal with Smaug later on as he honed his theft and dangerous debating skills.



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Aug 25, 12:07pm

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August 25, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. All of Hobbiton whispered and wondered at Frodo's announcement to move to Buckland.
(not from the appendices)

..."...But so firmly fixed had the notion of the immeasurable wealth of the Bagginses of Bag End become that most found this hard to believe, harder than any other reason or unreason that their fancy could suggest: to most it suggested a dark and yet unrevealed plot by Gandalf. Though he kept himself very quiet and did not go about by day, it was well known that he was 'hiding up in the Bag End'. But however a removal might fit in with the designs of his wizardry, there was no doubt about the fact: Frodo Baggins was going back to Buckland.
...'Yes, I shall be moving this autumn,' he said. 'Merry Brandybuck is looking out for a nice little hole for me, or perhaps a small house.'"



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Aug 26, 10:20am

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August 26, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
(not from the appendices)

..."In the Southfarthing the vines were laden, and the yield of 'leaf' was astonishing; and everywhere there was so much corn that at Harvest every barn was stuffed. The Northfarthing barley was so fine that the beer of 1420 malt was long remembered and became a byword. Indeed a generation later one might hear an old gaffer in an inn, after a good pint of well-earned ale, put down his mug with a sign: 'Ah! that was a proper fourteen-twenty, that was!'"



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VeArkenstone
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Aug 26, 7:12pm

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Thanks for the encouagement. It is still somewhat of a struggle for me, [In reply to] Can't Post

but is getting easier. My favorite story so far Elwe and Melion. Love it! I think possibly it was meant to have happened before the Time/Space Continuem was developed, so in the very early days of Arda there was no time as we know it. Just speculating. I do like developing a basic knowledge of the 1st and 2nd ages. Like you say, a little at a time.

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VeArkenstone
Lorien

Aug 26, 7:38pm

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Thank you. Here is a story of my history with my copy of the Sil. Its been a [In reply to] Can't Post

long road. I picked up a copy of the Sil at a garage sell in the early '80s. After carrying it around for years and trying to read it but being unsuccessful, I gave it to my Dad, told him it was unreadable and it was for his library (he has a decent sized library, and collects older books). I would go visit my mom and dad periodically and see The Sil sitting on a shelf in my Dad's library and not think twice about it. About 15 years after giving my Dad the book, FOTR was released. Well, this stirred up a new interest in Tolkien's work, so I thought about The Sil sitting in my Dad's library, and hoped he still had it. He did, sitting in the exact place it had been sitting for the past 15 years. Well, all these years later I still struggle with it, but will never be parted from this book again. When I am not reading it, it has a special place on a shelf in my own library. I love it.

Please, call me Ve.


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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 26, 8:35pm

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but is getting easier. My favorite story so far Elwe and Melion. Love it! I think possibly it was meant to have happened before the Time/Space Continuem was developed, so in the very early days of Arda there was no time as we know it. Just speculating.


That's an interesting notion, though I don't think it holds up well as a hypothesis. Even ignoring modern physics and looking at this completely as mythology, I would say that the passage of time as we understood it would have had to have begun before the awakening of the Elves. Even in the Spring of Arda, time would have needed to flow as living things stirred to life to live, procreate and die. How time was accounted in a world without Sun or Moon would be an entirely different question. In the time of the Two Trees, one day was said to have lasted for twelve hours. Then there were the Valian Years, each lasting for approximately 9.582 solar years.

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)

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Aug 26, 9:29pm

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and the tree grew in its own time :D I love how you knew your Dad would keep it safe and tucked in with his own collection.

I had the same sort of scenario when my daughter gave me a 1st ed hc of the Sil when it first came out. Like you, it was a VERY long time before I stuck with it and made it through the entire thing. Also like you, it has a very special place in my heart and on my shelf.



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Lorien


Aug 27, 2:24am

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long road. I picked up a copy of the Sil at a garage sell in the early '80s. After carrying it around for years and trying to read it but being unsuccessful, I gave it to my Dad, told him it was unreadable and it was for his library (he has a decent sized library, and collects older books). I would go visit my mom and dad periodically and see The Sil sitting on a shelf in my Dad's library and not think twice about it. About 15 years after giving my Dad the book, FOTR was released. Well, this stirred up a new interest in Tolkien's work, so I thought about The Sil sitting in my Dad's library, and hoped he still had it. He did, sitting in the exact place it had been sitting for the past 15 years. Well, all these years later I still struggle with it, but will never be parted from this book again. When I am not reading it, it has a special place on a shelf in my own library. I love it.


Have you tried the audiobook? I have read it both ways, and it works very well in the audio format.

While you live, shine
Have no grief at all
Life exists only for a short while
And time demands an end.
Seikilos Epitaph


grammaboodawg
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Aug 27, 10:51am

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So True! [In reply to] Can't Post

*thwacks my forehead* I keep forgetting to do that... and I have it sitting RIGHT HERE! THANK YOU! :D *sigh*



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VeArkenstone
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Aug 31, 4:42pm

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You know, I never thought of that, what a great idea. Thanks.

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VeArkenstone
Lorien

Aug 31, 6:16pm

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Time/No Time on Middle Earth. [In reply to] Can't Post

You are right ... but once Elwe takes Melian's hand, something extraordinary happens: Time stands still for them, for decades. If Time is standing still for them, is this the same as experiencing "no time?" Perhaps this happened only to them, since the sapling trees grew to adulthood, the stars still rotated in the sky, seasons still passed, and, like you say, these things require Time to happen. Maybe this occurred because Elwe is a High Elf and one of first to awaken and Melian is a Maia? Perhaps the passage of Time is different for Elves because of their immortality? It is interesting that in the Time of the Two Trees and without the Sun and Moon.as Timekeepers, Time probably would have been different, and, indeed, the days were only twelve hours long.

Each Valian Year was 9,582 solar years long? Are you messing with me? If you are not, how many of these Valian Years were there? So Galadriel would have lived for tens of thousands of years before coming to Middle Earth? Time must have been different for the Valor during these Valian years.

Thanks.

Please, call me Ve.


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VeArkenstone
Lorien

Aug 31, 6:24pm

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I am happy to know that many of us have a "The Sil" story.

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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 31, 6:27pm

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Each Valian Year was 9,582 solar years long? Are you messing with me? If you are not, how many of these Valian Years were there? So Galadriel would have lived for tens of thousands of years before coming to Middle Earth? Time must have been different for the Valor during these Valian years.


By the Valar, no! A Valian year was approximately 9.582 solar years long. Nine point five eight two. I'll defer to Tolkien Gateway:


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A Valian year is a reference to the passage of time in Valinor, before the Two Trees were destroyed by Melkor and Ungoliant. Valian years ended with the rising of the Sun during the First Age. There are approximately 9.582 solar years in a Valian year, and 14,325 solar years in the Years of the Trees.


By this reckoning, the Years of the Trees lasted for approximately 1,500.2 Valian years.

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)

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VeArkenstone
Lorien

Aug 31, 6:36pm

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Thank you. The Tolkien Gateway sounds intriging. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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No One in Particular
Lorien


Sep 1, 11:34pm

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enjoy the Silmarillion audio myself. I just finished listening to the whole thing, Sil to RoTK, an week or so back.

While you live, shine
Have no grief at all
Life exists only for a short while
And time demands an end.
Seikilos Epitaph

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