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elf_wannabee
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Jul 28 2019, 5:57pm
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Why weren't representatives from Dol Amroth and Rohan invited to the Council of Elrond?
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Since Elrond invited high positioned representatives of all the Free Races to his council why wasn't Eomer or Imrahil invited? Or were Aragon and Boromir sufficient to represent Men at Elrond's Council? Did Tolkien ever say anything about this? Forgive me if this has been previously discussed.
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squire
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Jul 29 2019, 12:18am
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It's funny (odd funny), but...
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...as Elrond puts it, he didn't invite anyone!
The Council of Elrond is one of those events in the story that is explicitly said to be an intervention by the Powers. By total coincidence, emissaries from Erebor, Mirkwood, Gondor, the Havens, the Rangers, the Wizards, and the Shire all arrive at Rivendell in the same week or so.
Elrond puts this most plainly in his speech after the preliminary discussions and introductions have concluded:
‘The Ring! What shall we do with the Ring...? That is the purpose for which you are called hither. Called, I say, though I have not called you to me, strangers from distant lands. You have come and are here met, in this very nick of time, by chance as it may seem. Yet it is not so. Believe rather that it is so ordered that we, who sit here, and none others, must now find counsel for the peril of the world. - LR II.2 Then, as far as your immediate question is concerned, we learn in the History of Middle-earth edition of Tolkien's drafts, that at the time of writing this part of the book he had not yet invented the Rohirrim or the Principality of Dol Amroth. Believe it or not, Gondor itself was invented at the very moment that he decided to add the mysterious 'stranger from the South', i.e. Boromir, to the chapter.
And then later in the process, the Council scene was pretty crowded with new characters and information, and was fiendishly difficult to write over several drafts, so during his revisions after completing the full tale Tolkien had no reason to add two more emissaries.
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Solicitr
Gondor
Jul 29 2019, 1:53pm
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moreover, Belfalas (capital: Dol Amroth) was merely a province of Gondor; its Princes ranked first among the realm's nobility, but they were still subjects of the Crown (represented by the Steward). One might as well ask why Forlong the Fat wasn't invited.
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In general, it's often overlooked, or simply little-known, how much of the history of the Third Age was invented during the writing of LR or, for most of it, ret-conned afterwards during the writing of the Appendices. There was basically no Third Age when Tolkien started the book.
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Eruonen
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Aug 3 2019, 4:46am
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As it appears Rohan was under the say of Saruman no emissary was called.
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 3 2019, 12:56pm
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Are you referring to the film?
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As has already been pointed out, none of the representives at the Council of Elrond had been summoned (in the book) with the exception of Boromir, who had received a vision. The Council was an ad hoc affair attended by whomever was present at the time.
"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)
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Solicitr
Gondor
Aug 5 2019, 3:22pm
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Boromir had come prompted by a dream, which had really targeted Faramir first- but Elrond wasn't the source of the dream. Legolas had come to report Gollum's escape. Gloin and Gimli were sent by Dain to get advice on how to deal with Mordor's threatening messages. Galdor happened to be present on an errand for Cirdan. Only the four hobbits and Gandalf, plus Aragorn as escort, were there expressly because of the Ring and, again, it wasn't because Elrond had sent for them.
The movie scenario is kind of ridiculous, if one thinks how long it would take messages from Elrond to reach all over Middle-earth and for those summoned to get there; as we know, Boromir's journey took him 110 days.
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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 5 2019, 3:46pm
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...but the vision was also received in a dream by Faramir. One wonders how events might have played out if Faramir had journeyed to Rivendell in the place of his brother.
"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)
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Hamfast Gamgee
Tol Eressea
Aug 6 2019, 7:43am
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possibly someone from Lorien should have been there
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Even if not called Galdriel might well have felt something or seen something in her Mirror to send someone to Rivendell at the time. Of course, I know the real reason why no-one from Lorien was present at the council.
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Aug 23 2019, 9:05pm
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I don't know why anyone from Lorien didn't get a dream, a hint. a problem which someone had to go to Rivendell at the time. Actually, maybe Celebrian had a dream to go to Rivendell, but totally forget about it and didn't mention this to Galadriel!
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