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Saruman, Ring- Maker

elevorn
Lorien


Jul 23, 8:29pm

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In The Fellowship of The ring Gandalf recounts his conversation that led up to his imprisonment in Orthanc. In that tale he speaks of Saruman wearing a ring and calling himself Ring-maker. Is there any other information on what this is and how it holds power or increases Saruman? Its kind of glossed over in the book, but with all of Saruman's study surely there was more to it than a trinket. Any thoughts?

Also, yes I've been out a while and this may have already been discussed, if it has I apologize.



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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jul 24, 1:48am

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It seems most likely to me that Saruman would craft a Ring for himself that would aid him in manipulating and dominating the will of others.

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Jul 24, 1:39pm

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Firstly, that's an awesome name for Saruman's Ring [In reply to] Can't Post

Secondly, this is a question that has always bothered me! Every time I read LOTR, it always irks me, in the back of my head, that Saruman never displayed what he could do with his Ring - was it what allowed him to create the armies of Uruk-Hai, or to bend them to his will? Was it what gave him the power of his voice - that would be interesting, if that was not in fact something he could do on his own. Tolkien never mentions the Ring again, though, so I wonder how important he intended it to be - you would think Gandalf would have been much more concerned about it, considering the current state of affairs in Middle-earth.

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jul 24, 2:01pm

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I can't take the credit though; I got that name from the Horse-lords of Rohan supplement for The One Ring Roleplaying Game.

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)

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CuriousG
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Jul 24, 2:05pm

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not worth discussing when he confronted Saruman after Isengard had been captured by the Ents. Breaking his staff seemed to be the only thing that mattered.

It didn't seem to help Saruman in his beggar life after the war. All in all, I think its powers had to be fairly weak, and Gandalf pointed it out at the Council of Elrond more as a sign that Saruman was a Sauron wannabe.

Coincidentally, Gramma and I discussed it some a couple weeks ago, but without reaching definitive conclusions.


elevorn
Lorien


Jul 24, 2:30pm

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I'm listening through Fellowship on Audible now and that part came up. I don't think I've ever really thought about it before. Of course, even the powers of the great rings seem to be vague. Tolkien doesn't spell out magic in Middle Earth the way Rowling, or even Martin does. There is a sense of mystery to the "power" that dwells in elvish lore and the Istari. The Valar seem to have their powers spelled out relatively clear, but when we get down the line its just, "they had power".

I wonder, is there something more spelled out in The History of Middle Earth, all my copies are in storage and I don't have them digitally yet.



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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jul 24, 2:40pm

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It didn't seem to help Saruman in his beggar life after the war. All in all, I think its powers had to be fairly weak, and Gandalf pointed it out at the Council of Elrond more as a sign that Saruman was a Sauron wannabe.


True, but maybe the wizard's ring lost its power when his own power was broken. It seems obvious that it must have been a creation resulting from Saruman's own study of Ring-craft.

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)

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Eruonen
Valinor


Aug 3, 3:31am

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We have to think who he interacted with and bent to his will....a ring of compulsion? [In reply to] Can't Post

From orcs, to men including Theoden and beasts maybe he worked on a ring that gave him the ability to dominate others wills. I think that it was not yet a "great ring" but a work in progress. He had been actively researching ring lore etc.


CuriousG
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Aug 3, 1:37pm

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I think that it was not yet a "great ring" but a work in progress.


Whatever he made, it was a cheap copy of a real ring of power, not equal to the others.


InTheChair
Lorien

Aug 12, 11:12pm

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Something he made to deceive the Orcs into believing that he did have one of the great rings.

Saruman had found the golden cask and chain that Isildur had used to carry the Ring in, though I don't suppose that would have given him any kind of template as to what it looked liked.

 
 

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