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Peter Jackson vs Tolkien: Five Things the Films Did Better Than the Books
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Jul 16, 2:46pm

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And going farther back in history [In reply to] Can't Post

Ancient Egyptians thought of themselves as a nation-state and believed they should be united under their native ruler, not some foreigner. The ancient Greeks had a sense of being a nation ("we are Greeks; everyone else is a barbarian") even though they were in autonomous city-states. I don't know Chinese history well, but they seemed to have the nation-state idea down early too.

And I remember sitting in a university class in the 1980s when a poli sci professor (that's my major) told us modern nationalism all started with the Treaty of Westphalia, and I thought, so what about the preceding 4000 years of history?" It does come down to splitting hairs about definitions which are purely academic.

The Shire

Sat, 8:08am

Post #52 of 52 (59 views)
Thoughts reworked as dialogs [In reply to] Can't Post

and given to other characters - the best example was during the siege of Gondor when Pippin asks Gandalf about dying and gets Frodo's vision of the Blessed Realm given to him as Gandalf's experience dying after fighting the Balrog.

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