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2ndBreffest
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May 28 2019, 11:00pm
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to say that nearly half my posts reference dwarven flatulence is a bit of an exaggeration, however, in this particular discussion it is entirely relevant as it is but one example of why I was not as impressed with the EE as I had hoped I would be.
But as far as whether or not he in fact soiled himself during that scene, I suppose only John Rhys Davies could tell you for sure, but to my ears, I would say there very likely could have been a bit of a mess. You see, the way I interpret the scene is this; Gimli is obviously very drunk, and at the point where he starts to stand up, he's thinking, "uh oh, maybe I'd better make a bee-line for the....uhh...too late. oh well, back to the game." And of course he just laughs it off because that's just the sort of thing PJ's Gimli would do in that situation.
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Cirashala
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May 29 2019, 4:22am
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or maybe it was an exaggerated move to point out that he was farting, and not just creaking the bench? I do think PJ wanted to make it clear that he was, in fact, flatulating, as a means to exaggerate just how drunk he really was.
Excessive? Maybe. But it's not like elves poop cupcakes and fart glitter, and that there were rest areas all along the Fellowship's route. Aragorn had to poop at some point, I have no doubt that Pippin occasionally picked his nose, the Three Hunters must have stopped for a pee break at least a couple times, and Gandalf might even snore sometimes. Arwen must have had periods, and sausage casings were undoubtedly the flushed-out entrails of the pig.
To me, seeing a semi-reserved dwarf who is rough around the edges and yes is used sometimes for comical effect, but at least attempts to be fairly respectful when ceremony requires it (he didn't fart in front of Galadriel, for example, nor did he do so at Aragorn's coronation, and the burp he made during Aragorn and Theoden's discussion appeared to be spontaneous and he tried to muffle it) lose so much inhibition that he slurs about skinny dipping with dwarf women and farts brazenly without a care in the world seems to me to be a theatrical device to illustrate just how slogged he was.
Was it a little excessive? Probably. PJ after all did have dwarves climb through a toilet to enter Bard's house (though it was a rather ingenius way, given the movie storyline, of getting them in there unseen, and I can't think of any other way Bard could have done it while being spied on from every other angle).
But does it serve a purpose for the scene? Yeah, it does.
Though I for one wouldn't have minded seeing Legolas lose that scene lol- can you imagine? Gimli only beat him at one challenge- the kill count at Helm's Deep. He won the rest. Elves are used to wine- very, very potent wine, but wine nonetheless.
Now, I don't drink, but I have a feeling that the Rohirrim's brew may well have been the equivalent of moonshine- at least, the one used in the challenge (it clearly smelled awful, at least to Legolas's elf nose). And those who drink may feel free to correct me, but my understanding is that moonshine is FAR harder liquor than wine is, and depending on how it's brewed could very well be nearly pure alcohol.
Somehow, I do have to wonder if Legolas would have truly been able to withstand the potency of pure moonshine. As to who would have gotten drunk first, well...elves are hardy, but Aule made them dwarves tough as nails. Even Sauron held no sway over them, so...
The real question would be- would Legolas pass out and snore like his Mirkwood servants, or run around the party with a lampshade on his head? 
But back to my original point- bodily functions happen in ME. We just don't usually see them because a) no one wants to see Aragorn poop in the woods, and b) the players involved are too respectful to go around propelled by methane...unless they're completely, totally stone-cold drunk.
And I think that was the point in that scene.
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Chen G.
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May 29 2019, 12:54pm
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I don't mind the physical comedy
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For the most part, its set in the beginning of the film - both in Return of the King and An Unexpected Journey, and then the films gradually become more serious. It gives them a shape.
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2ndBreffest
Lorien
May 29 2019, 11:28pm
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"blow off steam"..."you-know-what hits the fan" I see what you did there.
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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien
May 30 2019, 6:24am
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anyone in the WORLD to show that the Hobbit movies are OBJECTIVELY bad.
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Paulo Gabriel
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May 30 2019, 6:28am
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And although I don't actually agree with them, I will say most of the essays are very well-written. Interestingly, the author seems to have vanished from the Internet. 
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2ndBreffest
Lorien
May 31 2019, 2:11pm
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unintentional or no, it sure gave me a chuckle.
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Paulo Gabriel
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May 31 2019, 2:43pm
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is sure as dirty as the movies you claim to despise. 
Obviously, this is just a joke.
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2ndBreffest
Lorien
May 31 2019, 2:52pm
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I think it may be the influence of PJ rubbing off on me. Now whenever I watch a movie and there's a second or two of silence...I begin to think that if this movie were directed by Peter Jackson, there's a 45% probability that I would be listening to a fart right now.
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Chen G.
Gondor
May 31 2019, 4:05pm
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In King Kong.
Or in Heavenly Creatures; or The Lovely Bones.
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2ndBreffest
Lorien
May 31 2019, 7:26pm
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I wonder why he would feel toilet humor would fit better in an adaptation of Tolkien and not in a remake of King Kong? I would think a movie with a giant gorilla running wild through new york city would lend itself much more easily to fart jokes.
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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien
Jun 16 2019, 6:50am
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Although he is sometimes polite, this dude seems to make stuff up in order to justify his dislike for these movies-- that is, he will speak ill of them no matter the cost (even at the expense of lying).
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Chen G.
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Jun 16 2019, 7:23am
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Oh well, as long as the discussion is even vaugly amicable I'm up for it.
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Cirashala
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Jun 16 2019, 11:36am
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respectfully, maybe, but I try not to speak ill of other Torn members simply for having an opinion, even if I do not agree with it.
As to lying, it was a sound effect and can be interpreted individually as one will. No, we don't have any proof for it, or against it for that matter, so while I wouldn't pass it off as FACT, it can still be passed off as OPINION based on the sound effect used. I was calling him out on passing it off as fact when it was simply his opinion.
But though I do not agree with his INTERPRETATION of the scene/sound effect, I respect his right on here to have his opinion of the films. I don't like everything about the films either, though I generally appreciate them as a whole. But I know that others greatly dislike them, and others love every last bit of them, and all opinions are welcome on here (even if it drives some of us nuts sometimes ).
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Noria
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Jun 16 2019, 3:00pm
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Isn’t this almost approaching obsession?
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I think it may be the influence of PJ rubbing off on me. Now whenever I watch a movie and there's a second or two of silence...I begin to think that if this movie were directed by Peter Jackson, there's a 45% probability that I would be listening to a fart right now.
Having watched the RotK drinking game scene again, it doesn’t look to me like Gimli is soiling himself. It’s just one of PJ’s burp/farts to my eyes. But then I am not looking for things to criticize in these movies, nor do I spend a lot of time thinking about bodily functions.
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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien
Jun 16 2019, 5:42pm
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Just to be clear, the so-called 'fart' is the sound effect at around 2:40 in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt1joflBsBo
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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien
Jun 22 2019, 9:01am
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It sounds more like he is burping rather than farting.
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Chen G.
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Jun 22 2019, 3:38pm
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it was the chair creaking underneath him. Rewatching the film (and completing a marathon spanning two weeks) yesterday, I do think its a fart.
Doesn't bother me. One of the reasons the film works so well, is that it starts lighter than it ends: there's a sense of escalation.
I don't think films - regardless of subject matter - should be "high-minded" throughout. At some point, that need to constantly be "classy" becomes a buffer between the audience and the contents of the film. You need variation in every parameter of your film.
Even Sir David Lean got it, when he put a camel being poked in the arse for a joke in Lawrence of Arabia or inserted a crude bosum joke into A Passage to India. Which is to say nothing of Sir Alfred Hitchcock's sense of humour. And what about Braveheart's erection jokes? Oh, and I guess The Godfather is bad now, because Don Corleone puts orange peel in his mouth and, goofing off with his grandson, pretends to be a monster. And lets not forget Jaws!
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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien
Jun 23 2019, 2:07am
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But still, he doesn't "soil himself".
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Solicitr
Gondor
Jun 23 2019, 5:11am
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really doesn't matter to me whether it's a fart or something else- the entire scene is stupid and degrading, and serves only as part of the process of turning Legolas into Superman while reducing Gimli to slapstick comic relief. One more example of PJ's juvenile impulses getting the better of him.
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= Forum has no new posts. Forum needs no new posts.
I was just expressing a bit of frustration at the (off)topic in question being brought up very, very frequently in unrelated or semi-unrelated threads, but I'm all good now. 
