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Did anyone notice...

Paulo Gabriel
Rivendell

Jun 10, 7:40am

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Did anyone notice... Can't Post

that in AUJ (theatrical version at least) everybody seems to have an obsession with EATING (Dwarves, Trolls, Gollum)?

It's just so awkward...


Chen G.
Rohan

Jun 10, 8:23am

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Itís very Tolkien [In reply to] Can't Post

And it works for the lighter feeling of the film.


OldestDaughter
Rohan


Jun 12, 12:37pm

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In the Hobbit novel [In reply to] Can't Post

Food was a huge part of the characterization of Bilbo. So I loved it that it is such a big element in the AUJ. I love it that food takes a place with all the Hobbits in the films because food is a very prominent subject in the chapters of hobbits.




"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lķthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


Silmaril
Rohan


Jun 13, 8:14am

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Yes, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

as far as I remember the Dwarves did not throw food in the book...


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Jun 13, 2:51pm

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As the others have pointed out, I think it feels very Tolkienesque [In reply to] Can't Post

I wouldn't call it so much an obsession: just that food is an important element emphasized throughout the narrative, being one of the many comforts of home that Bilbo must leave behind on his adventure. After the Shire, the food becomes more and more unpleasant (or, in the case of Elven food, just uncanny, at least to the Dwarves). I think in DoS there's somewhat less emphasis on food, and there's barely any in BotFA. I wonder if there's a thematic reasoning for that?

"We are Kree"

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Chen G.
Rohan

Jun 13, 6:00pm

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I donít know about thematic [In reply to] Can't Post

But the filmmakers do use it in the storytelling. While the Dwarves make a mess off of the food at Bilboís and Elrondís - as well as grumble about the vegetarian menu of the latter - itís telling that they donít do either of those things at Beornís, for fear of their host.

They do see to have made a mess at the Masterís, but we donít get to see it which, at that point in the story, I appreciated.


(This post was edited by Chen G. on Jun 13, 6:02pm)


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Jun 14, 3:26pm

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yes... [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ's dwarves barely even resemble Tolkien's dwarves, in both behavior as well as appearance.


Silmaril
Rohan


Jun 14, 6:26pm

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Unfortunately... [In reply to] Can't Post

You are right.


Chen G.
Rohan

Jun 14, 7:50pm

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"The passages or chapters that are to some a blemish are all by others specially approved" [In reply to] Can't Post

The Dwarves were what sold me on The Hobbit. Not just Thorin (who's a terrific character) but also the others.

So, they occasionally let their hair down. Big deal. An Unexpected Journey is the most comedic of the six films anyway. Its refreshing and it gives the series a shape, because it starts lighter than it ends.

I think the Dwarves have a great sense of camaraderie, especially in the raucous scenes. It also serves as a contrast with scenes in which they quietly reflect upon their own homelessness and yearning for a homeland.

The latter - the Misty Mountains song, the confrontation with Bofur, the beholding of Erebor through the misty lake - are absolutely the beating heart of the trilogy.

The Dwarves are also as unlikely as a group of heroes as Bilbo is. As Balin puts it:


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What are we? Merchants, miners, tinkers, toy-makers - hardly the stuff of legend


Its all very relatable.


Noria
Gondor

Jun 14, 8:00pm

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PJ's Dwarves don't always resemble Tolkien's Hobbit Dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

They are more attractive (and not just physically) and more interesting Wink

Seriously though,Tolkien's Hobbit Dwarves do not particularly resemble his LotR Dwarves either, until the last section of The Hobbit novel.

Otherwise, what Chen said - because I love the sassy, silly, sad and brave Dwarves of TH movies.


Paulo Gabriel
Rivendell

Jun 14, 10:16pm

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I third his (Chen's) post. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Chen G.
Rohan

Jun 15, 8:31am

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I love the [In reply to] Can't Post


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I know the Dwarves can be obstinate and pig-headed and...difficult. They're suspicious and secretive; with the worst manners you could possibly imagine. But they are also brave, and kind; and loyal to a fault. I've grown very fond of them.


After spending two-and-a-half movies with them, the audience can really see the truth in that, I think.


Solicitr
Rohan

Jun 15, 3:39pm

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WTH? [In reply to] Can't Post


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.....Elrondís - as well as grumble about the vegetarian menu of the latter


Elves were HUNTERS!

PJ truly has the Merdas Touch- everything he handles turns to crap.


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Chen G.
Rohan

Jun 15, 3:40pm

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I know they were [In reply to] Can't Post

But that's what they went with for the film version, and it works.


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Jun 15, 4:34pm

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well... [In reply to] Can't Post

apparently it doesn't work for everyone...namely those who were hoping for something that would faithfully portray Tolkien's world as he intended it to be.


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Jun 16, 4:29pm

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I fourth it! :D [In reply to] Can't Post

The Dwarves are fun - not all of them, sure (my personal least-favorite is Ori) but for the most part they come across as distinct, interesting personalities.

"We are Kree"


Noria
Gondor

Jun 17, 1:07pm

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Which world is that - the world of TH or that of LotR? [In reply to] Can't Post

The fairy tale of The Hobbit or the pseudo-history of LotR?

Regardless, it is sad that those book lovers who wanted a faithful adaptation of the beloved little childrenís book and thought it could happen after the LotR trilogy were so disappointed. I mean that sincerely - it's unfortunate.

I was in the other camp, the one which wanted LotR The Prequel, which didnít happen. either to the chagrin of many. I think I was just reluctant to let the LotR trilogy go. But after seeing AUJ, I came to believe that PJ was right to choose a different tone (even if it doesnít always entirely work) because the Hobbit book itself, until the Company reaches Erebor, is pretty irreverent and goofy and fun and is not LotR. I see that as being fundamentally faithful to the book.

It doesnít matter to me that the Elves of Rivendell served a vegetarian meal Ė maybe they were the only vegetarian Elves or maybe they were out were out of meat! The notion had a purpose in the film and works for me.


Fereth
Rivendell


Jun 17, 8:54pm

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Maybe it was the elvesí Meatless Monday. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Jun 29, 5:41pm

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I'm inclined to think [In reply to] Can't Post

that it was twofold.

a) the dwarves arrived right close to dinnertime and both hunting and roasting several deer (or whatever source of meat) to feed the lot of them on such short notice was impossible (guys, meat roasting takes time. Heck, just a Thanksgiving turkey takes at least 6 hours! And you're not talking a butterball from the local grocery store either- they would have had to shoot it, kill it, drain the blood, pluck it, clean out the innards, and THEN put it on the spit), and/or

b) Elrond was more than a little annoyed at Thorin's rude insult after he had tried to be polite "Indeed, he made no mention of you", and, being well educated, undoubtedly knew the dwarves' fondness for meat and decided to prank them right back (payback time!).

But I think it most likely the former. As I said, roasting enough meat to feed fifteen people, 13 of which are dwarves who are no doubt ravenous after their cross-country sprint, takes a great deal of time, and the sun was already starting to set when they arrived. Hard to throw together a great supper with roasted meat in a world without electricity and takeout when you have all of a half hour to do so...

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 30, 12:29am

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The company's arrival at Rivendell does seem to be more unexpected in the movie than in the book. I would trust, though, that availability wouldn't be the problem; Elrond would likely have had plenty of preserved meats in his larder. I think that Jackson just found it amusing to make Elrond's folk vegetarians. I don't recall Tolkien ever going into any kind of detail about the foods served in Elrond's house, either in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings. Pippin does vaguely recall the fare served to Frodo and his companions by Gildor in the Shire:


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Pippin afterwards recalled little of either food or drink... But he remembered that there was bread, surpassing the savour of a fair white loaf to one who is starving; and fruits sweet as wildberries and richer than the tended fruits of gardens; he drained a cup that was filled with a fragrant draught, cool as a clear fountain, golden as a summer afternoon.


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