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Calisuri's post from the homepage... (link)

greendragon
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May 9, 1:46pm

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Hi all! So, WordPress changed again recently, and even though homepage posts are SUPPOSED to post here to the message boards, that doesn't seem to be happening (unless I am somehow just looking in the wrong place...)

Anyway: Calisuri wrote something for the homepage, which I thought you all would enjoy reading. It's his review of TOLKIEN, but also describes a fandom journey which may be familiar for some of you. So I thought you should see his post. Enjoy!

https://www.theonering.net/...rector-of-tolkien-2/

'There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of my fridge...'

'You never know what will happen next, when once you get mixed up with TORnsibs and their friends.'



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greendragon
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May 9, 1:48pm

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Huh, guess I failed to make that a link... [In reply to] Can't Post

Help! How come I'm failing to make that a clickable link to Cali's post? I've clearly been away from the boards too long....!! Someone fix it for me, will ya? Meanwhile y'all will just have to cut and paste... UnsureLaugh

'There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of my fridge...'

'You never know what will happen next, when once you get mixed up with TORnsibs and their friends.'



Lissuin
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May 9, 3:05pm

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At 2:49 a.m. this is the best clickable a non-mod could do. [In reply to] Can't Post

Till they all wake up and someone works their mod magic, please read the post and be uplifted, as I was. Thanks, Calisuri - for everything!

https://www.theonering.net/...rector-of-tolkien-2/


dernwyn
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May 9, 4:32pm

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Clickable now! [In reply to] Can't Post

Just a little glitch with the "url" command, all fixed now.

Thank you for this, greendragon! This is a wonderful story to relate.

I can understand where Calisuri's been, that path he's been wandering. And I'm so happy for him now. As one person commented: "Not all who wander are lost".

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Solicitr
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May 9, 5:34pm

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take it, based on

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no, this was a unique interpretation of a famous life, pieced together from a relatively undocumented time.

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that Calisuri hasn't read John Garth's biography, which covers exactly the same material as this movie?

I suppose that reading it (or the Chronology in the H&S Companion & Guide) could really ruin the movie, because one is then painfully aware how much is being falsified.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


May 9, 6:10pm

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ohhhh... Thank you so much! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you gd for bringing this forward. *warm hug* This has me in tears...

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What modern sensibility will we crucify Tolkien with today?’


This is what got me started. It just seems like everything has to have a reality or hard twist to it. I completely understand how Calisuri would essentially get burned out with all that has happened over so many years. Once the films were done and TORn was pretty-much on cruise-control, the fun of discovery and creation would wane. That he and our other Founders... and all the first-agers who have hung in there is impressive and so appreciated.

I've been worried, too, about being disappointed in this film. He has given me hope that there's something to enrich that personal relationship we each have with Tolkien and his works. To meet the young man who gave us our Professor has me eager to get there.

Thank you. And Calisuri... *big hug* thank you for being so real with us... as you always have. :) You've still got the magic.



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Ataahua
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May 9, 7:40pm

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I still have a few weeks to wait. [In reply to] Can't Post

It doesn't open in NZ cinemas until 6 June.

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


May 10, 6:08am

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Thanks for posting it here! Don't know if the film will ever come to India... [In reply to] Can't Post

I had seen Calisuri's post on Home, loved it, and wondered why it wasn't appearing anywhere else...Glad also to see Angelic, by the way, that I am far from the only one who doesn't find it easy to create real links within posts on our beloved TORn Boards!!! I won't feel so ashamed any longer whenever I call for help for this dreadful task Crazy...
Although I am disappointed that Nicholas Hoult, the young actor chosen to play young Tolkien, doesn't resemble him physically at all, at least he seems to play really well and convey something of what we all love in this JRRT he became... Thank you, dear gramma, for the beautiful way you expressed that in your post above:

'To meet the young man who gave us our Professor has me eager to get there.'


'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


May 10, 6:21am

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Thank you for being around, and getting it done! [In reply to] Can't Post

I am full of compassion for those who tried before in earnest, and yet weren't successful... That has happened often enough to me, so I don't even try anymore!!! Unsure Too stressful for me!...Pirate
And thank you also for "Not all who wander are lost". So movingly perfect. Heart

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


May 10, 12:02pm

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From now MrCere's review, posted on Home too, it seems [In reply to] Can't Post

that you're right to some extent...I will not venture personally to try and post that newer review also here (don't know how to link), but I do hope someone else will!...

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea


May 10, 12:34pm

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I'm much more likely to go see the movie now after reading Calisuri's review than I was before.

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CuriousG
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May 10, 3:30pm

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Ditto what Notta said. Thanks, Calisuri! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


CuriousG
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May 10, 3:40pm

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MrCere's review on "Tolkien" from home page [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's the link. "Review: ‘Tolkien’ film both rewarding and frustrating"


squire
Half-elven


May 10, 9:53pm

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Yes, Mr. Cere is quite judicious. I just saw it this afternoon, and tend to agree with him. [In reply to] Can't Post

As he says, we are lucky to get a film that treats Tolkien's story fairly seriously. Whoever thought the TCBS would make it to the silver screen, after all? Much of it is done very well, within the conventions of a romanticized "Hollywood" biopic.

But structurally, the elimination of any real mention of the entire Silmarillion/Book of Lost Tales leaves a gaping hole in the narrative at the end of the film. That is what Tolkien was actually working on in the period shown by the film (or at least was beginning to get interested in working on), but evidently the filmmakers wrote that off as a lost cause. "Tolkien" to today's general film-goer means The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, full stop.

Unfortunately that leaves the film, which tries to stick to at least the main lines of his artistic and emotional development, thrashing about trying to deliver a payoff to his struggle and to his survival that can somehow take place less that twenty years after the film's main action wraps up, and they just don't pull it off.

As I thought I might, I did enjoy it overall and I would certainly recommend it to anyone, and Tolkien fans especially. But be prepared to see Tolkien's 'actual' early years treated about as romantically, loosely, and imaginatively as his books were treated by Jackson & Co. Purists beware, in other words; all others welcome.



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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


May 11, 7:44am

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'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
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grammaboodawg
Immortal


May 11, 9:14pm

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This one stays with you. It has left me feeling like the The Lord of the Rings does when I reach the end. Deeply emotional and very personal. I knew Professor Tolkien's story before, but I understand it now. This is a story about friendship and devotion on many levels. The obvious friendships between his fellow Tea Club members and Tolkien's love for Edith and hers for him; but also how Tolkien realizes his love for linguistics thanks to Professor Wright's equal veneration for language. They connected like a lightning from a clear sky.

The story is seen through Tolkien's POV in flashbacks through the haze of his burning fever bringing him so near death throughout the film. But for the dedication of that young Private, Sam, he would have never survived. omg... this film is rich with meaningful moments.

Sometimes trailers show the best parts of a film. Not so here. This film is not done for entertainment. It's sharing Tolkien's journey through his young life and how the encouragement of friends carries them all through the trials they each face. It's funny, haunting, has wonderful visual richness, and quiet moments that are poignant and intimate. Still the action in the war scenes makes clear the horrors of the war as he lay near death among the dead in a bloody, flooded shell crater.

I'm left feeling included, cared about, and that everyone involved with this film held Tolkien's life with honour and did not exploit it because of the success of his works. It's wonderful... and so is Nicholas Hoult. The closing moments mesmerized me and were etched on more than paper in my case.



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grammaboodawg
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May 11, 9:15pm

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This one stays with you. It has left me feeling like the The Lord of the Rings does when I reach the end. Deeply emotional and very personal. I knew Professor Tolkien's story before, but I understand it now. This is a story about friendship and devotion on many levels. The obvious friendships between his fellow Tea Club members and Tolkien's love for Edith and hers for him; but also how Tolkien realizes his love for linguistics.

Sometimes trailers show the best parts of a film. Not so here. This film is not done for entertainment. It's sharing Tolkien's journey through his young life and how the encouragement of friends carries them all through the trials they each face. It's funny, haunting, has wonderful visual richness, and quiet moments that are poignant and intimate.

I'm left feeling included, cared about, and that everyone involved with this film held Tolkien's life with honour and did not exploit it because of the success of his works. It's wonderful... and so is Nicholas Hoult.



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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


May 11, 9:54pm

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I didn't go in quite as pessimistic.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but reading this now does make me realize how wrong this could have gone.

I enjoyed the film immensely (even to the point that I would have liked it to be a touch longer and fleshed out in parts), and I have to say that it was - thankfully - a very respectful film to our dear Professor.

I have many things I want to say about the film, but I think I need to collect my thoughts for a bit longer. For now, one thing I will say is that, while Nicholas Hoult will rightfully get a great deal of deserved praise (as should the other members of the TCBS), I really loved Lily Collins as Edith. She gave a wonderful portrayal and had such magnetic presence in the film.

"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that." - Viggo Mortensen

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greendragon
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May 19, 10:01pm

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Hanon le, dernwyn! [In reply to] Can't Post

{{hugs}} at ya! Heart

'There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of my fridge...'

'You never know what will happen next, when once you get mixed up with TORnsibs and their friends.'



dernwyn
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May 20, 11:50am

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{{hugs}} back atcha!

Are you still working here in the States (as an "alien of extraordinary ability" - that description always makes me grin, it's wonderful!)?


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