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Why is Galadriel so powerful in The Hobbit?

Paulo Gabriel

Jan 24 2019, 7:21pm

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Why is Galadriel so powerful in The Hobbit? Can't Post

I heard a purist complain why was Galadriel exibhit powers she never had in LOTR..... and that this is plothole in the six-movies saga therefore. What do you think of this?

Case in point: she defeated Sauron.

(This post was edited by Paulo Gabriel on Jan 24 2019, 7:23pm)


Jan 26 2019, 4:47pm

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Galadriel is so powerful in TH because the writers made her so. [In reply to] Can't Post

Boyens in particular talked about how Galadriel was the most powerful person in Middle-earth, presumably as part of the female energy they were trying to inject into the male dominated story. They then had Galadriel rescue Gandalf and banish Sauron, making her more powerful than Elrond or Saruman, even rivaling the Maiar Sauron. Why, therefore, did she not take a more active role in LotR, instead of sending Frodo on his way and remaining in Lothlorien? The answer in the movieverse: Galadriel had permanently depleted her power fighting Sauron. In fact, she was so weak that Elrond had to hold her up and take her back to Lorien, leaving only Saruman to pursue the Necromancer.

IMO, all that was unnecessary. They could have had the two Wizards, Saruman and Radagast, and the two most powerful Elves, Galadriel and Elrond, join together to rescue Gandalf (if he had to be a captive) and drive Sauron from Dol Guldur, none of them being strong enough to do it alone. Saruman could still have volunteered to pursue Sauron and we could imagine that he later falsely reported that the Necromancer had disappeared. Like Elrond, Galadriel would then have remained at home to mind her own domain during the quest of the Ring. In the LotR book of course, she and Celeborn successfully repel several attacks on Lorien during the War of the Ring.

The resolution of the Dol Guldur subplot never satisfied me because of what the writers did with Galadriel. The rest Elrond, Saruman, Radagast, Sauron and the Nine - worked for me.

I was fine with the effort to add female presence into TH movies. I loved Tauriel and was glad to see Galadriel so prominent. There was no need to make her all powerful.

Paulo Gabriel

Jan 30 2019, 3:47pm

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Thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

Your answer clarified a lot. I have to watch the Appendices real bad. Laugh


Apr 11 2019, 10:02am

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Not that much of a problem [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually didn't find that too much of a problem. She is one of the Noldor from the Blessed Realm, with great power against both the seen and the unseen. Gandalf and Saruman were forbidden to match Sauron power-to-power; she was under no such prohibition.
It follows that both Gandalf and Saruman could not play the major role in any show of force against Sauron.
And Sauron was not at his full power either - he was still rebuilding his resources then.


Apr 11 2019, 3:00pm

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Why? [In reply to] Can't Post

Narrative causality.

Paulo Gabriel

Apr 12 2019, 8:25am

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I am obviously asking... [In reply to] Can't Post

for an in-universe justification.


Apr 12 2019, 1:29pm

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I see a faint echo of Luthien's duel with Sauron [In reply to] Can't Post

In the First Age. Anyway, power hierarchies in Arda aren't really as absolute as some people make them out to be.

That said, I really don't like the effects in this scene, which are both silly and weaken the FotR temptation scene!

Presumably Saruman has to finish the job, so she doesn't quite beat him alone. Though they leave it ambiguous exactly what happens after the cutaway - his final line is the best part of that scene. Well, that and the visuals, which are great at Dol Guldur even when the writing isn't.

(This post was edited by kzer_za on Apr 12 2019, 1:42pm)


Apr 12 2019, 2:20pm

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In-universe justification [In reply to] Can't Post

From Philippa Boyens???

Paulo Gabriel

Apr 13 2019, 11:51am

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From whomever. // [In reply to] Can't Post

I am open to any and all arguments, like a true skeptic.Wink

(This post was edited by Paulo Gabriel on Apr 13 2019, 11:54am)


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