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My possible solution to the Hobbit problem

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Apr 4, 8:48am

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The problem been that there are some inaccuracies between the Hobbit and the Lotr such as swords, la-la Elves, make up of Wizards and Rings etc. Well, my solution is that the Lotr is a tale told by the omniscient narrator been someone that knows everything and is therefore, mostly at least, accurate. The Hobbit meantime is told in narration form by a kindly older relative even to children a well-meaning person that does have the basic facts correct but can sometimes have a wrong memory or information of events and is not quite always to be 100% trusted.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Apr 4, 1:58pm

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A Corrected edition of The Hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

If I could only make one correction to The Hobbit for a future edition, it would be to make the birth order of Fili and Kili consistent with Appendix A of The Lord of the Rings. The rest I can live with.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Apr 15, 11:18pm

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Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.

But so it must be. Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend.


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Solicitr
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Apr 15, 11:22pm

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If I could only make one correction to The Hobbit for a future edition, it would be to make the birth order of Fili and Kili consistent with Appendix A of The Lord of the Rings. The rest I can live with.


It could be said that The Hobbit, having been published first, was correct and Appendix B was thus in error.


Otaku-sempai
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Apr 16, 1:46pm

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That argument could be made. [In reply to] Can't Post


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It could be said that The Hobbit, having been published first, was correct and Appendix B was thus in error.


Rather than alter Tolkien's "Line of the Dwarves of Erebor" as it was presented in The Lord of the Rings Appendix A, I would see that as revising the birth order given in The Hobbit. Similarly, Bilbo's recollection of Gandalf's "great council of the white wizards" is revealed in LotR to have been the White Council, founded by Elrond, Galadriel and others of the Wise.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage


Solicitr
Rohan

Apr 16, 3:04pm

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we could, as with so much else in The Hobbit, just chalk it up to First Season Weirdness and let it go.

Real history is full of contradictions; if fake history is too perfect then it looks fake!


Otaku-sempai
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Apr 16, 3:09pm

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...we can always take Bilbo to be an unreliable narrator and assume that he mistakenly named Kili as the older brother in his account.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage


Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Apr 26, 9:47am

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In which way was the birth of Fili and Kili inconsistent? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Apr 26, 1:41pm

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In which way was the birth of Fili and Kili inconsistent?


In Chapter 8 of The Hobbit, "Flies and Spiders", it is alleged that Fili is the youngest Dwarf in the company ("'Dori is the strongest, but Fili is the youngest and still has the best sight,' said Thorin."). However, Tolkien's "Line of the Dwarves of Erebor" in Appendix A of The Lord of the Rings reveals that Fili (born in the year 2859) is five years older than Kili (born in 2864). As I wrote above, we could explain this as a failure of Bilbo's memory in his original account or as a mistake made by Tolkien as the 'translator'. My assumption here is to treat the genealogical chart as accurate.

Either way, though, this inconsistency would have been easy to fix.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Apr 26, 1:44pm)


Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

May 4, 9:04am

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That Thorin would remember which of his nephews was the eldest. Or possibly whoever wrote the annals of years made a mistake! We just don't know really.

 
 

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