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Using the Jacksonverse actors or recast?
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Victariongreyjoy
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 1:24pm

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Can Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving, Peter Mckenzie(Elendil), Harry SInclair(Ilsidur), Marton Csokas and Mark Ferguson(Gil-Galad)reprise their roles? Or will Amazaon do a complete recast?


uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 1:43pm

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I should think they're changing a lot more than just casting different actors. But in any event, good luck playing an agelessly young-looking elf twenty to thirty years after you were first cast for it.


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 2:10pm

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I would guess no, but anything is possible at this point. If they intend to draw fans of Peter-earth to their product, I'm sure they can come up with more ways to achieve this other than throwing the same actors in front of them.


Victariongreyjoy
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 2:16pm

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I hope they will find actors that resembles a bit of the former ones, if they intend to keep this in the movieverse.


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Rohan


Mar 9 2019, 2:45pm

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Has there been confirmation that they want to keep things strictly within Jackson's universe? [In reply to] Can't Post

That seems unlikely to me, I'd probably guess that they want to make it aesthetically similar to the Jackson movies, with more grit and less of the PG-13 comic relief. I think strictly having it within the Jacksonverse is too creatively restrictive, and doesn't really help with the marketing all that much. The Middle Earth setting, ridiculous budget, and Amazon name will be far more influential than whether or not they follow what Jackson did to a T.

They'd almost certainly have to recast anyways, if anything because of the age of those 3 men at this point.


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 2:55pm

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I think it is mostly wishful thinking from the PJ fans, however Amazon did supposedly contact him about his possible involvement. From a marketing standpoint, it would make sense as the vast majority of the mass public only know of Middle-earth through the PJ movies and his name being in the marketing is an easy way to grab their attention.


Marmoon
The Shire


Mar 9 2019, 2:56pm

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Anything is possible at this point but I think it is unlikely.

Cate Blanchett (nearly 50) and Marton Csokas (nearly 53) are the youngest of the bunch and would be the most likely to have retained their youthful appearances from 20 years ago. But still add another year or so before they actually get in front of a camera. The other actors from the list will be more challenging. With proper make-up or expensive de-aging special effects, and if the producers keep the actors' involvement to brief cameos and do a ton of filming up front rather than bring them back for reprisals… maybe. But other than Hugo Weaving, the elder actors did not have serious screen time and did not make an impression on audiences. Those are easy recasts.

And consider this: if this show is successful and runs for 5, 7, or even 10 seasons, the production will last at least as long. With a few exceptions, even some of the most well-preserved folks lose their youthful looks in their 50s and virtually all by 60. I do not think Amazon will be banking on Cate Blanchett and Marton Csokas looking 30 in the year 2030.

(This post was edited by Marmoon on Mar 9 2019, 2:57pm)


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 3:09pm

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I'm sure if they really wanted to, they could always digitally impose their faces onto whoever is playing the character...like the genie in the new Aladdin movie.


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Mar 9 2019, 3:19pm

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The only one I would really love to see return [In reply to] Can't Post

would be Cate Blanchett, because I just love her, and she's an awesome actress, and she's Galadriel to me. I feel that it's unlikely she will play Galadriel again, though. Honestly, I don't think age is so much the issue: look what they did with Captain Marvel, making Samuel L. Jackson look like he was maybe late thirties, using the de-aging technique. But I think she's done with that role.
Now here's a thought: how about Hugo Weaving's son Harry Weaving to play Elrond?
As for the others, McKenzie, Sinclair, Csokas, and Ferguson: I never felt like they were really the definitive Elendil, Isildur, Celeborn or Gil-galad anyway, so I'd definitely be open to recasting those roles. I would really like for the old actors to have cameos though.

"We are Kree"


daemoon
Rivendell


Mar 9 2019, 3:56pm

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They will probably be recast, but maybe Benedict Cumberbatch can return as Annatar. [In reply to] Can't Post

I just hope they bring back Weta, John Howe and Alan Lee to work on this series (with some new blood aswell).


Chen G.
Rohan

Mar 9 2019, 3:58pm

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I think they'd recast [In reply to] Can't Post

While still keeping things roughly in continuity with the films. I'm not going to be a stickler for continuity here, because of the different medium (TV versus film), so as long as the broad brushstrokes do their job, I'm fine with the odd recasting.

I think its more than reasonable to aspect continuity and a shared aesthetic between the films and series. It seems quite likely from the choice of setting (the forging of the Rings and the heritage of Numenore tie very deeply indeed with the films), some of the details retained in the map from the films -- the mountains of the East, sea-serpents in Pelegaer -- and Peter Jackson's own potential involvement.


uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 3:59pm

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They have certainly made contact, but the only person out there intimating that this show is creatively connected to PJ is PJ.


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Rohan


Mar 9 2019, 4:01pm

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Amazon might decide to change/alter how elves are portrayed, especially if the initial seasons are very elf-centric. The stoic, stern, almost numb portrayals of Elrond, Galadriel, and Celeborn might not be able to carry a dramatic show with an extended run. Cate Blanchett's otherworldly-ness and stoic composure worked when she had 15 minutes of screen time in Fellowship, but I'm not sure that would work in a television format, where elves get much much more screen time, and a single season alone is around 10 hours of content. As much as I enjoyed the Blanchett and Weaving portrayals, which worked in that 3rd Age setting, that might not be what they're going for in this new show.


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Mar 9 2019, 4:08pm

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Elves in the Second Age are completely different: they've finally defeated Morgoth, Middle-earth is theirs to rule and to make beautiful, they are ruled by a wise king, they are friends with the Edain: this is a time of peace and hope for them, when they should be idealistic and visionary, intent on making Middle-earth as fair as the West that they have left behind. It could be similar to how the world was after the devastating events of WWI, and the influenza outbreak of 1918: you had the Roaring Twenties, but beneath the shining veneer lay a dark world that was rapidly descending into more - and worse - horrors.

"We are Kree"


kzer_za
Lorien

Mar 9 2019, 4:21pm

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Lee Pace's Thranduil [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually might be the most viable possibility for reprising a role. Pace is only 40 and it has been much less time since his character's first appearance. Thranduil was around in the Second Age and they could come up with something for him - there will need to be storylines invented/embellished to fill out the details, might as well use existing characters if you can. Also Thranduil is probably my favorite elf in the Jackson films, though Blanchett's Galadriel is close.


(This post was edited by kzer_za on Mar 9 2019, 4:27pm)


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 4:31pm

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hopefully his input, if any will be very limited. Even though his name is now forever linked to Middle-earth in the minds of the mainstream mass public, this series will require a far deeper understanding and respect for Tolkien's mythology to pull off successfully. PJ's reworking of TH to cater to modern movie goers didn't go over as well as they had hoped, and the same will likely be true if a similar approach is attempted with this series.


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Mar 9 2019, 5:05pm

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I imagine that could be possible [In reply to] Can't Post

Lee Pace is such a good actor, I would love to see him again in the role, for certain.

"We are Kree"


Chen G.
Rohan

Mar 9 2019, 5:05pm

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There's no such thing [In reply to] Can't Post

as making a product NOT for modern (as in contemporary) audiences.


uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 5:51pm

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Oh yes elves. [In reply to] Can't Post

Leaving aside superficial bits like every bloody one of them being blonde, I was really saddened by the (unsurprising) choice to play elves as *dignified* to the exclusion of letting them be *merry.* With few exceptions, though, Tolkien's elves seem always on the verge of laughter, bursting into song regularly, light of heart. Certainly we see a quiet lofty dignity in some cases, particularly the unsmiling Elrond but also Galadriel and Celeborn, and there's this sense that they are high and far away, out of mortal ken. But they are puckish, too, like Shakespearean fairies.

We talked a lot about how to play this and our approach to unifying these trends was to think of elves as just thousands of years over the petty concerns of life--just not getting caught up in transitory things. So they really are lofty and above, but they graciously manifest this by staying light and easy. (Less so in the case of more traumatized individuals like Elrond.)


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 5:52pm

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sure there is, it just isn't something that would likely be considered if the main motivation behind doing the thing is making the most amount of money possible. If there was no such thing, the term "selling out" wouldn't exist either.


2ndBreffest
Lorien


Mar 9 2019, 6:35pm

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I would like to see elves portrayed based upon Tolkien's descriptions.


Marmoon
The Shire


Mar 9 2019, 6:42pm

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We talked a lot about how to play this and our approach to unifying these trends was to think of elves as just thousands of years over the petty concerns of life--just not getting caught up in transitory things.


I have also wondered how to reconcile these aspects of the Elves for future adaptations. I like your idea - by nature they are less attached to the temporal world and its humdrum, are just as likely to pontificate as to break out in song. This would at least apply to your everyday elf; maybe you find more dignity among the eldest and wisest - your Elronds, your Galadriels. In the same way, one could assume the silly sing-song moments and teasing come from mischievous elf-children, while the elders are busy contemplating matters of state or contending with existential quandaries. Or maybe the elves have designated bards and musicians. But your idea is simpler and plays on their near-immortality.


Mari D.
Rivendell


Mar 9 2019, 8:04pm

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I would like to see merry elves as well :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

Imho, it would make them even more otherworldly, but in a good, fascinating way, if they could within their character both delight in light merriment and delve into deep thought without it being a contradiction ...


Mari D.
Rivendell


Mar 9 2019, 8:08pm

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I agree but would like to add ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that once you have built a bridge for the modern audience, one end connecting to their side of the river, leading them over that bridge you can lead them into new, unknown realms and they will be all the more enchanted.


(This post was edited by Mari D. on Mar 9 2019, 8:12pm)


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Mar 9 2019, 9:21pm

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Tolkien hated Shakespearean fairies [In reply to] Can't Post

And so do I, honestly.
I can imagine the Elves being more light and easy, as they are in the Hobbit, for instance, for the most part unconcerned with the troubles of the world - but not all of them in the cold, aloof way like Thranduil: I mean just uninterested in petty things, rejoicing in the beauty of the world, dancing, singing, but never straying into "puckish" territory, musing on cowslips and dewdrops and whatnot.
But the Elves of the Silmarillion are all very grim, and in LOTR most of the Elves are pretty serious as well. I'd like a balance: I just don't want the Elves to be made in any way bizarre. And based off his own words, I doubt Tolkien would want the Elves at all Shakespearean. I just want a balance between their sorrow and their joy, but even their joy should still retain that beautiful, nostalgic, somewhat bittersweet quality, in my opinion. That's just how I feel.

"We are Kree"

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