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Mar 8 2019, 9:49pm

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Hobbits? Can't Post


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Mar 8 2019, 10:08pm

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I can see us getting a Hobbit or Two [In reply to] Can't Post

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Mar 8 2019, 10:46pm

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The point of the lord of the rings was that hobbit finally had some part to play. before that that were mostly hidden.

It Would be wrong to have hobbit in any significant way in these series.

Though I Wouldn't mind an isolated series based on the battle of the greenfields.

(This post was edited by balbo biggins on Mar 8 2019, 10:47pm)


Mar 9 2019, 12:17am

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Tolkien, explicitly, didn't want Hobbits to play any significant role in Elder Days or Second Age..... [In reply to] Can't Post

In terms of hobbits, I fall firmly into the camp which holds that they really ought to have no place in a Second Age narrative. They don't serve a purpose in the darker and more serious legendarium of this period, which is overwhelmingly about Elves and Men.

I would suggest that the Drúedain or "Woses", who in Tolkien's later writings came to play a greater role in the First and Second Ages, might be able to act as substitution for the hobbits.

They were considered "...of a wholly different kind, the like of which neither the Eldar in Beleriand nor the other [Men] had ever seen before." Their small communities were organized by families who dwelt "... in tents or shelters, lightly built round the trunks of large trees, for they were a hardy race."

According to Tolkien:

Their voices were deep and guttural, but their laughter was a surprise: it was rich and rolling, and set all who heard it, Elves or Men, laughing too for its pure merriment untainted by scorn or malice. In peace they often laughed at work or play when other Men might sing

Unfinished Tales explains that the Drúedain of Brethil emigrated to Númenor with the other Edain of Beleriand, and lived among the Númenoreans.

This was in recognition of their participation in the War of Wrath against Morgoth:


During the First Age, they played a part in the wars against Morgoth, and those of the Forest of Brethil formed a loose alliance with the Folk of Haleth. They were granted the name Drúedain in recognition of this (as the word Edain was reserved for those Men who aided in the struggle against the Dark Lord). Indeed, it seems that some were even granted a home in Númenor as a reward for their part in the Wars of Beleriand.

For many centuries they "...throve and increased again..." living apart from the other Númenóreans as had always been their custom.

When the Drúedain sensed a change in Númenor’s people, a foreknowledge of their impending doom, UT tells us that they began migrating back to the mainland from which their ancestors had come.

UT notes that the Drúedain "...who were ever noted for their strange foresight..." became unsettled as the shadow fell upon Númenor with the advent of its great naval voyages and colonialism "... foreboding that evil would come of them...". Eventually:

"... despite their fear of the sea one by one, or in twos and threes, they would beg for passages in the great ships that sailed to the North-western shores of Middle-earth. ... Thus their numbers dwindled again slowly through the long years, and none were left when Elendil escaped from the Downfall ..."

By the end of the Second Age, the Drúedain had settled in three regions of Middle-earth:

- In the coastal marshes of Enedwaith
- In the peninsula of Andrast
- In Drúadan Forest

(This post was edited by Althoun on Mar 9 2019, 12:25am)


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