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balbo biggins
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Feb 15 2019, 3:15pm
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Well, I'm Back
In all seriousness, we get our first piece of official, marketing? Info? Illustration?
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Has The added stuff To The east Of rhun been on any od
Official Map Before? Be it Tolkien unreleased scribble or invention by someone else.
If this is an amazon invention, this does not sit well with me at All.
Please someone show me This is rooted in Canon somehow
Also, Cool we finally got something!
https://www.facebook.com/2097056830607489/posts/2153886948257810/
Promotion begins
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Welsh hero
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Feb 15 2019, 4:08pm
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But what will the forest and mountains called. Will they be sutibly Tolkien
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hanne
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Feb 15 2019, 4:08pm
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Do we know that is a real account for the show?
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It seems an odd posting because I thought those mountains were from History of Middle Earth materials, and I thought Amazon was limited to LOTR and its appendices.
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The Encyclopaedia of Arda says
A lost range of mountains in the far east of Middle-earth, near Cuiviénen, beneath which the first Elves awoke. Called the Mountains of the East, the name Orocarni literally translates as 'Red Mountains'. …A sketch-map reproduced in volume 4 of The History of Middle-earth shows a long straight mountain-range, running along the eastern coastlands from the far north, … labelled 'Red Mountains'.
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Feb 15 2019, 4:15pm
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And it's a verified account
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Archestratie
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Feb 15 2019, 5:13pm
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I'm just glad we're finally getting something. A blank map isn't much, but it's at least a pulse. I just hope that they have some real Middle-earth gurus on staff that know the history and geography by heart. I don't want what's happened to Star Wars and Star Trek to happen to Middle-earth.
I have to say, I'm still excited to see it tho.
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uncle Iorlas
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Feb 15 2019, 6:07pm
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Lands East would seem to argue powerfully that it is an Aragorn story--but where's Harad, then, ot even Umbar?
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balbo biggins
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Feb 15 2019, 6:18pm
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They are already Distorting the map What else Will they expand or discard?
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uncle Iorlas
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Feb 15 2019, 7:22pm
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There's no doing this without invention.
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Skilful, faithful invention is possible. I too am worried but I don't begrudge them a new forest or mountain range out beyond the white edges. Surely there must be some.
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Chen G.
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Feb 15 2019, 7:43pm
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ICalled the Mountains of the East, the name Orocarni literally translates as 'Red Mountains'. …A sketch-map reproduced in volume 4 of The History of Middle-earth shows a long straight mountain-range, running along the eastern coastlands from the far north, … labelled 'Red Mountains'.
They're also the location of Dwarven realms, I believe.
I love the idea of expanding the visual palette of Middle Earth to include the east and west.
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balbo biggins
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Feb 15 2019, 7:53pm
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I don't believe this is the same thing, I believe this is far far east, not near rhun, rhun would be fair Central in. Middle earth.
Also they don't have the rights to the history Of Middle. Earth,. Do they?
ICalled the Mountains of the East, the name Orocarni literally translates as 'Red Mountains'. …A sketch-map reproduced in volume 4 of The History of Middle-earth shows a long straight mountain-range, running along the eastern coastlands from the far north, … labelled 'Red Mountains'.
They're also the location of Dwarven realms, I believe.
I love the idea of expanding the visual palette of Middle Earth to include the east and west.
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Chen G.
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Feb 15 2019, 8:06pm
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Doesn't the description suggest that the Red Mountains are at a roughly equal distance to the Misty Mountains as the Blue Mountains are from those? seems about right.
And I guess getting around rights issues is a lesser issue when you cooperate with the Tolkien Estate.
Point is, if it results in cool visuals, I'm down.
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balbo biggins
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Feb 15 2019, 8:15pm
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No, there's is no way these new map elements which are near rhun have anything to do with what was mentioned, it just doesn't match up.
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hanne
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Feb 15 2019, 8:21pm
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hanne
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Feb 15 2019, 8:22pm
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What about the text posted with the map?
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The only line of text I can see, above the map, is
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
? (I am not good at facebook). Is the rest of the verse there and I just can’t see it? Did someone forget to delete a comma? Or is it the theme of the series?
If it will be the story of the Elven Rings that is quite different from anything anyone has speculated about here yet.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Feb 15 2019, 8:39pm
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That's what I've been wondering about
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Why post just that one line, not the full poem?
Also, this map is very cool - though I wonder if they removed all the names just to keep us in the dark. I like that's it different, but still feels familiar: I'm happy with this. Very happy, in fact - the east interests me a lot, so I'll be very glad if we see some of that territory.
I love The Hobbit. Always will.
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balbo biggins
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Feb 15 2019, 8:45pm
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Why post just that one line, not the full poem?
Also, this map is very cool - though I wonder if they removed all the names just to keep us in the dark. I like that's it different, but still feels familiar: I'm happy with this. Very happy, in fact - the east interests me a lot, so I'll be very glad if we see some of that territory.
Tolkien has Not written any stories about this area, amazon is making it up! Are you very happy that a Middleweight writer is in amazon's office inventing new areas Of Middle earth?
It's scary how people just accept that.
Im Sorry But anything written about the east is purely fan fiction.
Also, who will be inventing the names,. Tolkiens knowledge of old. Languages informs this greatly, will they have consultants versed Europeans old languages? Arrgh it scares me
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Feb 15 2019, 8:49pm
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This show was bound to be doing some invention, of course
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If they didn't put anything that wasn't written by Tolkien in the show, it really wouldn't be worth watching: because why not just pick up the book in that case? I'm sorry if I scare you, but Tolkien himself said that he wanted people to come and add to Middle-earth, and if their additions feel consistent with the world, then I'm all here for it.
I love The Hobbit. Always will.
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balbo biggins
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Feb 15 2019, 9:06pm
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I'm All up for People making his works Into exciting new pieces Of Film and TV, I wouldn't care otherwise but the audacity to think hmmm you know what we should do, ignore the thousand and thousands of Interesting things tolkien has written about and invent out own?
I don't think tolkien meant he wanted to add to his work in that sense. Also that quote that is always thrown around whenever the question of invent g things comes. Up. The world has changed far beyond what he could Envisage when he said that, a billion dollar 50 hour TV. Show is going way beyond adding to his works.at.most he was thinking of art, plays. Music, that sort of thing.
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Cirashala
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Feb 15 2019, 9:09pm
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they're working very closely with the Tolkien Estate, so if Christopher Tolkien is willing to work with them then there's one of two possible outcomes/storylines:
1- they make it up but it is consistent with Christopher's notes and memories of the story and the spirit of the story, or2- Christopher has some yet-unreleased materials (notes, etc) that the Estate is willing to let them use as inspiration for the series.
Either way, knowing how much Christopher hated the films that we have gotten, the mere fact that the Estate is working with Amazon for the series when they all but refused to add input to the New Line films is very, very promising that, if not directly taken from Tolkien's writing, will be very much in line and faithful with the ME we all know from the books.
Also, to address your comments above about made up lands- I believe someone here mentioned that those may, indeed, be the Orocarni, which Tolkien himself had created, as per the mention in HoME.
Please don't dismiss something you haven't even seen yet just because you have a bias toward any adaptation of Tolkien's works being brought to film. Even a purist is likely to enjoy this show more than the films, if the Tolkien Estate is involved in the creative process, because Christopher Tolkien is undoubtedly the most ardent Tolkien purist in existence.
I can't imagine any adaptation of ME being less than faithful to the spirit of ME, if not the actual story, if Christopher himself is heading up the creative process.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Feb 15 2019, 9:11pm
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Despite the fact that that quote gets used a lot, it's still what he said
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And it seems like every time it gets used, the inevitable response is: "Tolkien didn't mean that: he was referring to music, art, etc,".
And also, the rest of the world is all there, so I don't exactly understand why it's such a problem that there's the addition of a few unnamed mountains on a map. I don't think you can make the case that they're ignoring anything yet, because we don't even know if those mountains will feature, or how.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Feb 15 2019, 9:32pm
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I don't know if David Day is really that reliable
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But his map of Middle-earth in An Atlas of Tolkien shows the Mountains of the East in the same spot, though his also includes the Sea of Helcar. You had asked in your original post if these mountains had appeared on any map before, and there they have.
Though, as I said, I don't know if he should be trusted, as his map completely disagrees with Tolkien's own maps. I'll look at the maps in HoME, though, where I know Tolkien drew the whole of Arda.
I love The Hobbit. Always will.
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balbo biggins
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Feb 15 2019, 9:40pm
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Christopher stepped down from the estate so has nothing to do with this series. He is very old now.
It's still a mystery who or what is making all this happen, for all we know the persons running the estate could be just interested. In the money and just let them do what they want.
I feel Like That now Christopher has gone, the floodgates have been opened slightly., and. Some Of That integrity lost.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Feb 15 2019, 9:42pm
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Can anybody tell me what Priscilla feels about this project?
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I'd really like to know that: I understand Christopher stepped down, but Priscilla is thus the only actual child of Tolkien who might have something to do with this series.
I love The Hobbit. Always will.
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