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entmaiden
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May 2 2008, 8:34pm
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that the voice was JRD, and it wasn't because I knew beforehand. There was so much else wrong with it beside the easily recognizable voice - the attempt to make Treebeard speak slowly only caused him to sound breathless. The gaps between the words were filled with growls and uhm's. Treebeard's voice was one of the bigger disappointments in the films for me.
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`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.
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MrCere
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May 2 2008, 8:35pm
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I still don't like hearing Treebeard. I can appreciate the performance - which I think is well done - but the second I heard it the first time I was a little disappointed.
I have no choice but to believe in free will.
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The cake is a lie
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entmaiden
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May 2 2008, 8:39pm
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I love the Vermithrax in those pictures
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and after seeing the brilliance of the Balrog, I think WETA can come up with a very scary dragon. I realize the Balrog was a new type of creature for the movie audience, and dragons have been done before, but I think Smaug is going to be extraordinary. Both Peter and Guillermo, in their respective movies, have shown they have an imagination that can match the mastery of WETA.
Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.
NARF since 1974.
Balin Bows
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Unspoken_Request
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May 2 2008, 9:19pm
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I can't say I like the songs, both are rather weird if you ask me, but what a great voice!
Thanks for this.
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May 3 2008, 12:48am
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that says "Oh baby..." to me would see me rushing for the door!!
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Starling
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May 3 2008, 1:55am
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And it still really yanks my chain.
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meltsar
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May 3 2008, 3:02am
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I don't think that we'll be disappointed by Smaug in the film ~ not only because of the film-makers involved, but because of the source material. Smaug is unlike any dragon ~ or monster ~ that has ever been put on film. He is not a dragon proper. Further description of what a Tolkien dragon is like can be glimpsed in 'Children of Hurin'. These aren't big lizards with corny voices. These are magestic supernatural beasts of unspeakable horror. Their gazes and voices hypnotise, and their auras emit fear. Tolkien's dragons are 'dragons' in name only. They are so much more.
A voice for the creature could incorporate a seamless mix of many voices and sounds; perhaps even female. Think Exorcist meets Fell Beast... Cunning and monstrous at once...
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May 3 2008, 3:46am
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I don't see your point....
The Cartoon of The Hobbit pulled off - well enough to get me to start reading Tolkien for the next 30 years.
As far as the voice, geez, I could do it (and have well enough to get my son to cover his ears).......
Finaaly, who in the world thinks Bilbo talking to Smaug is the climax of the book?
I bet Tolkien didn't
Really, it's a conversation, even with a dragon.
I'm sure he wrote it so that Smaug's fall is the first & The Battle of Five Armies is the second & biggest.
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N.E. Brigand
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May 3 2008, 4:18am
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Finally, who in the world thinks Bilbo talking to Smaug is the climax of the book?
What happens in "Fire and Water" is merely the picturesque result of the conversation with the dragon.
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Tampa Phil
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May 3 2008, 4:23am
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BTW, Tampa Phil, Love your statement about GDT's calculator, and his reply to you. Gotten over that one yet? I do hope you were jesting.
Grief, I wouldn't have even known he responded to me if you hadn't pointed it out.
How bizarre (how bizarre).
My post was a tongue in cheek allusion to the old joke about John Gielgud not being aware of all the sex and violence in Caligula when he read the original paycheck.
The fact that GDT seems to have taken me somewhat seriously opens up entire avenues of mischief.
TP.
PS. I'm always jesting. Except when I'm not.
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May 3 2008, 4:27am
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I wonder if you say this just because of my comment? 
(You say "Tomato", I say "Tah-mah-toe")
What about the Battle of Five Armies?
The result of of the conversation too?
I guess one could say the conversation with Smaug is the result of Gandalf's conversation with Bilbo in Chapter one.....
So, I guess that's actually the climax of the book......
And, Smeagle's finding of the Ring is then the climax of TLOR.
Or, Sauron's forging of the Ring?
Or, The Music of the Ainur is the climax of the Silmarillion I guess. 
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N.E. Brigand
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May 3 2008, 4:54am
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Who is the main character, and what is his most important moment?
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entmaiden
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May 3 2008, 1:39pm
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Definitely not the Battle of Five Armies
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that is merely the outcome of the previous events. I could argue that the climax of the book is Bilbo's finding of the Arkenstone, and Tolkien even alluded to it in the book when he said that it was a turning point in Bilbo's life. Bilbo is the main character of The Hobbit, and a turning point in his life would surely be the climax.
Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.
NARF since 1974.
Balin Bows
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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May 3 2008, 4:13pm
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the climax was Bilbo trying to make peace between the Elves and the Dwarves. His real coming of age (and the place where the book ceases to be a children's book). But maybe that's because everybody sees books according through their own lenses. Some people see and exciting story of dragons and giant spiders, of battles and adventures. For me, that's never been where the real power of the story is.
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Nickey08
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May 3 2008, 10:31pm
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I apologize for skipping most of the threads - there are so many, it's a daunting task to keep up. I salute you at TORn for keeping up with this!
To add my two cents of opinion, I'd like to equate the Smaug voice question with that of Beast from Disney's "Beauty and the Beast". Until that film came out, no one would have believed that soft-spoken Robby Bensen could have bellowed into life the character of Beast with such believability! Smaug's voice has either been considered by Peter Jackson and crew for the last decade, he has made his suggestion to del Toro, and it will be a closely guarded secret until the "Hobbit" is released - or it will be someone we would never have expected. You recall how John Rhys-Davies played not only Gimli, but the voice of Treebeard too. Regardless, I have no fear that Smaug will be a massive, weighted, tangible character, as anything else you would expect from the WETA team.
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Guillermo
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May 4 2008, 3:40am
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Taking a break- will post.
I received an email at my hotmail public site that I rather answer here.
-What I meant by the environment / Smaug relationship is about the way he is scaled, moves and is lit, limited or enhanced by his location, weather conditions, light conditions, time of the year, etc. That's all I can say without spoilers but, if you keep this curious little summary you'll realize several years form now that those things I had in my mind ever since doodling the character as a kid had solidified waaay before starting the shoot of the film.
Keep this little note...
Now, the voice is a voice I have had in my head for many years too and I will explore it as such- if the actor is unavailable, unwilling or otherwise impossible to get, then the voice may change. But all directors, like any readers, step into a film with a plan. I hope the casting is possible.
BTW The Robbie Benson case is a perfect one- good call bringing it up- since his would've been a name most people would've rejected back then. I remember nevertheless that Ron Perlman told me that Robbie was a "regular" in voice casting session- as was R.P. and that he knew how versatile he could be- so, kudos for that example!! And, no, don't worry, I'm not thinking of Robbie Benson...
So far ;)
Uh-oh... back to work.
All The Best
GDT
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Nickey08
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May 4 2008, 4:05am
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Dear Mr. del Toro,
Thanks for the kudos! We're all looking forward to seeing you here in NZ in the near future! We're ready to show you that Kiwi hospitality!
Kind Regards,
-Nickey Drayer
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May 4 2008, 5:42am
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Thanks for posting the info!
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May 4 2008, 6:30am
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Most interesting...
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MrCere
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May 4 2008, 7:50am
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GDT already has the voice in mind. That fascinates me. It is interesting to think of who is could be . . and is somebody keeping these notes?
I have no choice but to believe in free will.
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
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grammaboodawg
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May 4 2008, 1:22pm
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and shaking my head. I can't wait to see this, sir! We all have voices in our heads, but not many people have the guts to admit it ;)
Thanks for this. Now I've drooled all over my keyboard.
Carry on! Carry on! But get some sleep first ;)
 
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May 4 2008, 2:02pm
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What a weekend of information!!
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I thought the news on Shapeshifting Beorn was good, but it has been a weekend of Elves and Spiders and now Smaug!!
Thankyou so much!
Were off to Hobbiton finally!
Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!
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May 4 2008, 2:18pm
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Scribe II on board to cover Scribe I ... :D //
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Were off to Hobbiton finally!
Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!
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