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"The old that is strong . . ." NYTimes article about Old English.
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Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 5, 7:23pm

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"The old that is strong . . ." NYTimes article about Old English. Can't Post

Thoughts?
https://www.nytimes.com/...ion-old-english.html



Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 5, 7:41pm

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And a personal Tolkien memory/reference from [In reply to] Can't Post

one of the comments:
"David KempGlasgowJan. 4
A lovely article that brought back happy memories of doing Anglo Saxon as part of my English degree at Edinburgh more than 60 years ago. Our teacher, Dr O.K Schram, was a friend of Tolkien, and when the great man came to visit they would climb Arthur's Seat together and shout Beowulf into the wind. Or so I was told."



Lissuin
Valinor


Jan 5, 7:52pm

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David Kemp
GlasgowJan. 5
A lovely article that brought back happy memories of doing Anglo Saxon as part of my English degree at Edinburgh more than 60 years ago. Our teacher, Dr O.K Schram, was a friend of Tolkien, and when the great man came to visit they would climb Arthur's Seat together and shout Beowulf into the wind. Or so I was told.


What a wonderful image! Let's call it hillhowling.Smile

Oops! Not quick enough! But how about my suggestion? Laugh


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Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 5, 7:57pm

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Aha! TMTA (Tolkien minds think alike . . .). Hillhowling! Yes. [In reply to] Can't Post

Perfect.
We used to have all sorts of impromptu contests on here. Perhaps someone could start a "Kenning Kontest." Cool Kennfest?



SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jan 5, 8:11pm

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The original word nerds! [In reply to] Can't Post

ps thanks Ethel Cool



Lissuin
Valinor


Jan 5, 8:18pm

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And look what it takes to make SirDC appear! [In reply to] Can't Post

Who's the word nerd, eh? Cool


Lissuin
Valinor


Jan 5, 8:22pm

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And you're dressed for the part, too, I reckon! [In reply to] Can't Post

You'd fit right up there with them on Arthur's Seat. Wink


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jan 5, 8:55pm

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Wow thanks, [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh to have been there. Almost as good as visiting Dale, I’m sure.



Lissuin
Valinor


Jan 5, 9:33pm

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Och aye! [In reply to] Can't Post

A bit of Tolkfolk heaven for the both of us. Loquation scouting, so to speak.
Angelic


dernwyn
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Jan 6, 1:34am

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Or Beoblustering? [In reply to] Can't Post

i have climbed Arthur's Seat, and the wind does bluster and blow up there! Laugh


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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Jan 6, 1:53am

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*ahem* [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I'd be appropriately dressed for such hillhowling. ;)

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Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 6, 6:06pm

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Impressive socksaga! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, I feel you're the most prepared for this event. Cool



Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 6, 6:10pm

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De rien! [In reply to] Can't Post

I miss your quizzes, even though I'm usually way out of my depth with 'em!



Lissuin
Valinor


Jan 6, 7:07pm

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Yes, that is some serious sockage, indeed. [In reply to] Can't Post

You are always well addressed, from head to toe, EoPW.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jan 7, 2:04pm

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Were you ‘wind-writhen’ then? [In reply to] Can't Post

We know Tolkien knew of such things: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=858295#858295



SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jan 7, 2:13pm

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Oh, j’ai pensé à faire un quiz - [In reply to] Can't Post

yes, yes I have.

But I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what sceitist means. (Best I can figure is it was a typo; but it seems like such a lovely word, pregnant with possibilities.)



SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jan 7, 2:15pm

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Those knitted socks knocked my socks off XD / [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Annael
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Jan 7, 2:50pm

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ah, learned a useful term! [In reply to] Can't Post

In my work as an editor I often have doctoral students who have a concept in mind but can't think of the right word for it, so they tend to throw adjectives at a particular noun - sometimes up to four in a row - to tweak the noun in the right direction. Usually these are intuitive, artistic folks who've come to me for help with the wordcrafting. (Now there's a great example of "kenning.") As I work with a document, I find myself beginning to intuit what the intuitive person means, and one of my services seems to be giving them the right word for the concept.

So this adjective-stacking process is a kind of kenning, innit? And then I "ken" what they mean, and together we settle on the best word for it - or sometimes, phrase.

It happened in my own writing too, when research finally surfaced the exact word I needed: the Greek term aletis, which means "wandering heroine."

So should I put "adept at kenning" in my professional bio? Wink

I am a dreamer of words, of written words. I think I am reading; a word stops me. I leave the page. The syllables of the words begin to move around … The words take on other meanings as if they had the right to be young.

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Ethel Duath
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Jan 7, 5:04pm

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Why, "sceitist" (while misspelled--should be "scietist") [In reply to] Can't Post

is of course one who studies the (ahem) femine version of scion.



CuriousG
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Jan 7, 9:13pm

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Doesn't modern German allow word stacking? [In reply to] Can't Post

I know that only second hand, but someone once told me it's why they can have really long words. If so, then kenning is alive and well somewhere.


Annael
Half-elven


Jan 7, 10:38pm

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oh yes [In reply to] Can't Post

You can make up new words all the time by putting two or more others together. Jung loved to do this, for one.

But I also spend a lot of time reminding my clients that we are not German. Especially the ones who want to capitalize every noun. (I'm currently working on a piece that has sentences like "Our Intuition is essential to our Inner Life and to our Success."

I am a dreamer of words, of written words. I think I am reading; a word stops me. I leave the page. The syllables of the words begin to move around … The words take on other meanings as if they had the right to be young.

-- Gaston Bachelard

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NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 8, 2:03am

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Yes! Sounds like you've definitely [In reply to] Can't Post

earned it! Smile
As a free-lance (very) part-time editor, I can't say I've ever run into a row of adjectives attempting to steer a noun or concept yet, although I've run into some pretty strange, even arresting, single adjectives. Do you have any examples that wouldn't give anyone away?



dernwyn
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Jan 8, 2:05am

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Yes, and it's delightful! [In reply to] Can't Post

This was one of the things I enjoyed back when learning that language: the way words could be strung together to embody a concept. Some I remember:

Fahrvergnügen - the enjoyment of driving a car.
Götterdämmerung - the twilight of the gods.
Hochzeitgeschenke - wedding gifts (high time gifts).
Kirchengesangbücher - hymnals (song books for churches).

Yes, kenning is still alive and well.


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dernwyn
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Jan 8, 2:07am

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Yes indeed! [In reply to] Can't Post

"Writhen", akin to "wrought", worked-over: wind so strong it's as if it wants to "sculpt/work" a person or landscape.

Wonderfully descriptive.


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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Jan 8, 2:14am

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After my only year of German [In reply to] Can't Post

(wedged in my senior year, because I didn't like my Spanish teacher, and my parents insisted on a language), I found myself unable to stop capitalizing nouns for a very long time. Not sure how that got so wedged into my brain, when I had 11 years of reading and learning the opposite.
It sounds like your client is maybe using it more for emphasis, like some of the documents I've seen here and there by colonial writers like John Adams.


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