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Victariongreyjoy
Lorien
Dec 17 2018, 9:18pm
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About Del Toro vision for a bridge-film leading into Lord of the Rings
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So I was reading when Del Toro were on board with the Hobbit, he wanted to make the second film to lead directly to LOTR. He said he wanted to have a plot revolving Aragorn setting up a watch in the Shire and the search for Gollum. Let's say he did helm the Hobbit. After the BOTFA, Thranduil sends Legolas to search for Aragorn. Would Legolas have a major role with Aragorn in the search for Gollum?
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 17 2018, 10:22pm
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How does the hunt for Gollum fit into the context of the films as a whole? The Council of Elrond seems to occur in the year following Bilbo's farewell party (September 22, 3000 according to FotR-EE). That doesn't leave a lot of time for the search. Would film-Gandalf ask for Aragorn's help in tracking down Gollum before the year 3000?
"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison
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AshNazg
Gondor
Dec 17 2018, 10:54pm
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What did Gandalf do for 60 years??
I like the thought that after the Battle of Five Armies Legolas goes in search of Strider, and that Gandalf backtracks to find out more about Bilbo's suspicious ring.
Gandalf would get as far as the Misty Mountains before realising he needs a ranger's skills to find the missing puzzle piece.
Legolas then arrives at Lothlorien and learns they're at war with Dol Guldur, that Galadriel wants Thranduil's aid.
While at Lorien, Legolas meets Strider and Gandalf. Gandalf sets them on a quest to track Gollum down.
They find Gollum, take him to Mirkwood, put him in the cells.
The Dol Guldur orcs attack Mirkwood, Gollum escapes.
Thranduil marches to Lorien, allies with Galadriel to attack Dol Guldur
Khamul is driven out and Galadriel destroys Dol Guldur
Strider and Legolas part ways, Gandalf tells Aragorn that he and a group of rangers need to watch over and protect Bree and The Shire. "For there is good pipe weed in those lands, and a certain hobbit that I'm very fond of.."
Something like that anyway. I'd say it's all pretty relevant to the main story, even if it plays with the book's timeline a little.
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 18 2018, 1:37am
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Well, for myself, I don't think that I would play with the timeline quite so radically, though we do need to make some adjustments to accommodate the film-continuity. I wouldn't place Aragorn in Lothlórien until after he first rode with King Thengel of Rohan and then served under the Steward Ecthelion of Gondor, probably around his forty-ninth year (2964?). I might have Gandalf seek him out as early as the year 2980 (as a nod to Tolkien's timeline) in order to search for Gollum.
The Orc-attacks on Lórien and Mirkwood really should not take place until the final days of the War of the Ring (with the exception of the raid that allows Gollum to escape from the Wood-elves); it really feels out-of-place to have them taking place before the events of The Lord of the Rings.
"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison
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AshNazg
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Dec 18 2018, 11:49am
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The audience will want a big battle climax though...
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I know op is discussing del Toro's bridge film, but this goes for the tv show too..
Big battles are part of the identity of Lord of the Rings on screen. Audiences will be expecting big, important battles to rival those in Game of Thrones.
Unless we follow Balin to Moria (which would be very cool, especially if it involved more Ken Stott), I struggle to think of many big battles that could be included in this time period.
It's a relatively peaceful time, so for the general audience watching these characters procrastinate with insignificant matters, all in the knowledge that there's an evil ring being apparently ignored for years. Even if their ignorance is well explained it would make for a rather frustrating watch.
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 18 2018, 2:20pm
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Big battles are part of the identity of Lord of the Rings on screen. Audiences will be expecting big, important battles to rival those in Game of Thrones.
There are a few such events between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. This also marks Aragorn's period of great journeys and errantries. Now it looks like this is going to be mined by Amazon, but GdT had access to this material as well. And he would have had a great deal of freedom to improvise. We know that Aragorn and Gandalf met and became friends at some point and traveled together at times. We know that Aragorn as Thorongil rode with King Thengel and served under Ecthelion of Gondor, but we don't have much detail about those years.
When and why did Aragorn enter Moria? What did he encounter there?
In Rohan, Aragorn could have had a number of different adventures, from skirmishes with Orcs or Dunlending raiders to dealing with rebels opposing the ways of the young King Thengel.
We only have details about one battle when Aragorn was in Gondor, but it was a doozy: the raid he led against the Corsairs of Umbar. The film could have climaxed on that with the denouement seeing him in Lothlórien to be reunited with and betrothed to Arwen.
"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison
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Victariongreyjoy
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Dec 18 2018, 3:49pm
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Maybe the 60 years stuff fits more in the movie realm?
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As much as I want to see Amazon adapt the ideas of Del Toro bridge-film, I want to see this on the big screen. It should be in the same universe as Jacksonverse but not directed by him. He totally lost it nowadays and I would like WB to get back Del Toro for this project. I read WB still has the rights to the Hobbit book, so they can still use some of that material for Balin's expedition to Moria for example? Don't know about the Lothorien\Aragorn stuff, since Amazon is going to adapt it.
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 18 2018, 4:21pm
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I read WB still has the rights to the Hobbit book, so they can still use some of that material for Balin's expedition to Moria for example?
Balin's plans to recolonize Moria are never so much as hinted at in The Hobbit, so that could be a problem if the film rights to LotR have reverted. Also, that story would be pretty self-contained and would be hard to connect to other events. I might adapt it as a side-story in the format of an animated direct-to-video movie.
"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison
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Victariongreyjoy
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Dec 19 2018, 5:26pm
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Would be done for a animated sequel
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If they could get the actors from the movies to voice the dwarves in Moria, it would be great!  But I guess if WB has any plans and even rights to the material.
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 19 2018, 6:35pm
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If they could get the actors from the movies to voice the dwarves in Moria, it would be great! But I guess if WB has any plans and even rights to the material.
I was half-expecting such animated prequel movies as lead-ins to Shadow of Mordor and/or Shadow of War, though obviously not involving Balin and Moria.
"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison
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