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uncle Iorlas
Rohan
Nov 16 2018, 5:17am
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Hey, where is Aiglos these days, anyhow?
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Does Elrond have it in a broom closet or what?
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CuriousG
Half-elven
Nov 16 2018, 3:53pm
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Do you suppose it was broken like Narsil was?
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At the Council of Elrond, he skips over its fate:‘I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aeglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own.’ Broken or not, it probably is in a broom closet. But here's one for you: how could Narsil's shard cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand but not be destroyed, whereas Strider says of the Witch-King:all blades perish that pierce that dreadful King. So Narsil can pierce Sauron and Glamdring can hew the Balrog (and Fingolfin's sword could repeatedly stab Morgoth), but a sword used on a lesser being like the Witch-king will always perish. Why is that?
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Meneldor
Valinor
Nov 16 2018, 6:31pm
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You see, what Aragorn meant by "all blades"
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was actually all non-magical unnamed weapons. Magical weapons with names get a saving throw.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107
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CuriousG
Half-elven
Nov 16 2018, 10:48pm
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So when Merry stabbed the Witch-king with a magical blade
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its warranty wasn't covered because it was unnamed? You did word that carefully! For some reason I wish Frodo had stabbed the Witch-king with Sting somewhere in the story, because I like Sting, and it's magical and has a name (well, named by Bilbo, though it doesn't have a proper Elven name, so maybe that doesn't count).
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Belegdir
Lorien
Nov 17 2018, 12:39pm
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I like to believe that even though it was an unnamed Elven blade, the fact that Bilbo named it Sting gave it some Hobbit magic instead. As Francis Bacon said there's power in naming things.
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CuriousG
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Nov 18 2018, 9:24pm
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that neither Gandalf nor the Elves ever felt the name to rename Sting with a real Elven name for Bilbo's sake, which makes me think that its name was valid enough as is.
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Hamfast Gamgee
Tol Eressea
Nov 25 2018, 11:41pm
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And that it is quite strange that so much is made of Isildur's sword but Gil-Galard's spear was never mentioned again in deeds of the third age. And it would have been a powerful weapon for someone to have!
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No One in Particular
Lorien
Nov 26 2018, 1:30am
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always assumed that it was destroyed when Gil-Galad fell.
While you live, shine Have no grief at all Life exists only for a short while And time demands an end. Seikilos Epitaph
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Darkstone
Immortal
Nov 26 2018, 11:23am
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Arwen's shower curtain to be specific.
****************************************** "Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!" "Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye." "Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may." "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!" "But no living man am I! I am Eowyn, daughter of Theodwyn!" "Er, really? My mother's name was Theodwyn, too!" "No way!" "Way!" "Wow! Let's stop fighting and be best friends!" "Cool!!" -Zack Snyder's The Return of the King
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan
Nov 26 2018, 10:46pm
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And probably wielded it in battle in the Third Age against Angmar.
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."
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uncle Iorlas
Rohan
Dec 12 2018, 7:38pm
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Maybe it's facile to suppose blade-immunity is proportional to evil or to power. Grendel's mother and the dragon are not proof against blades; only Grendel enjoys that particular precaution. In fact, maybe Sauron wove that anti-blade counterstrike into the Witch-King after the Last Alliance for that very reason. After all he was killed somehow; I always assume that owed chiefly to holes poked in him by those very weapons, among others. Or maybe the Witch-King did it himself thereafter.
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 13 2018, 12:40am
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Maybe it's facile to suppose blade-immunity is proportional to evil or to power. Grendel's mother and the dragon are not proof against blades; only Grendel enjoys that particular precaution. In fact, maybe Sauron wove that anti-blade counterstrike into the Witch-King after the Last Alliance for that very reason. After all he was killed somehow; I always assume that owed chiefly to holes poked in him by those very weapons, among others. Or maybe the Witch-King did it himself thereafter. Are you referring to when the Lord of the Nazgűl first became a Wraith? Or when he was defeated at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields? Because the transformation from Man to Wraith seems to have been a gradual thing that did not involve dying or being killed in the usual sense. But back to the original question: If the spear Aiglos/Aeglos survived into the Third Age then it was probably displayed with honor somewhere in Rivendell and might have seen use in later conflicts such as in the defense of Arthedain.
"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison
(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Dec 13 2018, 12:45am)
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uncle Iorlas
Rohan
Dec 13 2018, 4:47pm
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I was unclear. I meant after Sauron was--sort of--killed by Elendil, Gil-Galad and their retinue. Maybe after he began to operate again in a new form, he added the blade protections to the Witch-King at some point, much as he augmented him for the assault on Minas Tirith. Or just as likely the Witch-King did that himself. Mighty in sorcery and all.
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