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What if the show flops?
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Archestratie
The Shire

Nov 30, 3:01pm

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But I have not heard anyone except my father complain about "what could have been". Both of my sisters, devoted Lord of the Rings fans, loved the Hobbit (well, one loved the Hobbit, the other greatly enjoyed it but has problems with certain parts). My mother also loved the Hobbit, as did my other sister who's never read any of Tolkien's works. Most of my friends also enjoy the Hobbit. My orthodontist enjoyed the Hobbit. Laugh The only people I've heard complain about it are purists here and on other forums.

And again, it's your opinion that the CGI looked really bad. Not to me.

That's been my experience too. If this show is as good as the Hobbit movies, that's a success.


2ndBreffest
Rivendell


Nov 30, 3:49pm

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Setting the bar that low almost ensures they'll hit their mark!


Cygnus
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Nov 30, 4:08pm

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I want to immerse myself in a really enchanting fantasy world that I already know and love, and I want it to feel…I don't know, just nice. Sure, there can be the orcs and goblins and whatnot, the trolls and all that, but I'm okay with that as long as it's just like - a good experience. Something that feels wholesome and good.


You're all making the existing films sound like these escapist adventure films, which they really aren't.

They're filled with violence (quite hightened, by blockbuster standards), with grief (think about how long The Fellowship of the Ring wallows in the grief of Gandalf's death), with death, destruction and hopelessness (say, in the buildup to Helm's Deep). There are characters being corrupted (Thorin, Smeagol, Isildur, Boromir) or damaged being repair (Frodo).

I actually want something that picks up on this and feels appropriately grim. I've said it probably umpteen times, but I think Braveheart should be the role model to look after.

I can't speak for Thor'n' but I think he was using that wording in comparison with Game of Thrones and its level of gloom, violence and nastiness.

"I found it is the small things.....everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay.....simple acts of kindness and love." - Gandalf


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Lorien

Nov 30, 5:03pm

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I wasn't saying anything about the existing films (I absolutely love those). But I was comparing it to the sort of vicious brutality that you see on GoT - and probably on Amazon's other big fantasy adaptation, Wheel of Time, if it's anything like the books it's based on. I like a grim atmosphere too, but I just want it to be a little less of this dark, gritty stuff that you see on TV especially all the time. I want it to feel - like fantasy! It should have more of a magical quality, which GoT in my opinion lacks sometimes.

"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Lorien

Nov 30, 5:06pm

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Not just because I love that movie, but it really is a masterpiece of storytelling. A little bit of everything; tragedy, humor, romance, violence, great character relationships and development, suspense, shocking revelations, fantasy, etc.

"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."


Chen G.
Rivendell

Nov 30, 6:19pm

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I really love that film, and it is appropriately weighty. But - its appropriately weighty for its core demographic, which is considerably younger than that of the Tolkien franchise has been thus far.

I agree that it doesn't need to adopt the cynical outlook of Game of Thrones. But I don't think it needs to be too light, either. One of the things that set this series apart from its contemporaries (Star Wars, Harry Potter, Star Trek) was the grim tone and dialed-up violence. That's a keeper.

Braveheart hits it just right.


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Archestratie
The Shire

Dec 3, 3:16pm

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I really love that film, and it is appropriately weighty. But - its appropriately weighty for its core demographic, which is considerably younger than that of the Tolkien franchise has been thus far.

I agree that it doesn't need to adopt the cynical outlook of Game of Thrones. But I don't think it needs to be too light, either. One of the things that set this series apart from its contemporaries (Star Wars, Harry Potter, Star Trek) was the grim tone and dialed-up violence. That's a keeper.

Braveheart hits it just right.

One great thing about the Tolkien Franchise, is that its core demographic is constantly being renewed. Unlike Potter and Star Wars, it's not alienating its older base while simultaneously boring young people. It's as healthy as can be.


Mari D.
Bree


Dec 4, 6:12pm

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I must have missed it, somehow, so I would be curious about your observation. :)


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Lorien

Dec 4, 6:19pm

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Which neither alienates nor bores me, but that's beside the point.

"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."


Mari D.
Bree


Dec 4, 6:23pm

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Game of Thrones?....despite it's success (which I may be foolish to argue with) it could be more successful if it wasn't so brutal and X-rated. Toning it down could open it to a wider audience (it would add more viewers than it would take away)...Which is one of the many reasons the 6 LOTR and Hobbit movies succeeded so well....everybody could watch it except for the very young.



Mari D.
Bree


Dec 4, 6:48pm

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Game of Thrones?....despite it's success (which I may be foolish to argue with) it could be more successful if it wasn't so brutal and X-rated. Toning it down could open it to a wider audience (it would add more viewers than it would take away)..


... someone indeed made a toned-down, pg-something version of it. The way it is right now, I don't watch it, although I'd be actually veeery interested to see and experience as a viewer how a plot works when protagonists are not safe, the dynasties, where characters are woven into that fabric of relationships ...

But I know myself, and what makes me feel good, makes me stronger and a better person. It is not waching gruesome, harsh things over extended periods of time.

That's sad, because I guess I'd enjoy the well-written characters, interesting storylines, good CGI, animation, and other technical aspects a lot. But that's that ... it would be like eating yummy strawberry joghurt that's mouldy. It's a shame for the joghurt, but I know what I can digest and what I can't.

I hope to at least read the books one day, though :-) I'm a Bible reading person, I know how to NOT visualize some details as I'm READING. ;-) (if you don't know, there's many passages in the Bible which describe ancient wars)

[Sry for double-post, I wrote this first on my phone and it didn't get saved, by the time I got to edit it using notebook, time was expired]


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Archestratie
The Shire

Dec 4, 7:45pm

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Game of Thrones?....despite it's success (which I may be foolish to argue with) it could be more successful if it wasn't so brutal and X-rated. Toning it down could open it to a wider audience (it would add more viewers than it would take away)...Which is one of the many reasons the 6 LOTR and Hobbit movies succeeded so well....everybody could watch it except for the very young.


Or if George RR Martin would just finish the series. That might help it too.


Cygnus
Bree


Dec 5, 5:47am

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Or if George RR Martin would just finish the series. That might help it too.

I don't follow it so you might know the answer to this. I heard Martin got upset with some fans because they are worried that he might die before he finishes it and he was insulted that they would say that. Is that true?

"I found it is the small things.....everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay.....simple acts of kindness and love." - Gandalf


Archestratie
The Shire

Dec 6, 6:11pm

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Or if George RR Martin would just finish the series. That might help it too.

I don't follow it so you might know the answer to this. I heard Martin got upset with some fans because they are worried that he might die before he finishes it and he was insulted that they would say that. Is that true?

I have no idea. I've heard he almost has the next book done, but that he's been stuck on the ending for almost two years now. I just know that hope among the fandom for a completed series is diminishing very fast.


Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Lorien

Dec 6, 7:34pm

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I have faith in most authors I like - Patrick Rothfuss is still writing the third installment of Kingkiller Chronicles, and it's been, what, three or four years now?

"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."

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