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I still love The Hobbit!
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skyofcoffeebeans
Rivendell

Oct 29, 6:14pm

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I haven’t seen the Frodo scene in its original context... [In reply to] Can't Post

...probably since 2012. Grinds the film to a complete halt.


Noria
Gondor

Nov 1, 1:07pm

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Opening scenes [In reply to] Can't Post


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Wow, I love that scene: it gives you such a charming little snapshot, as it were, of a Frodo completely untouched by fear and hurt. I love the "Good Morning" scene too, of course, but I love Frodo even more.


I agree with this. I enjoyed seeing Frodo again.

But more, I think that Frodo's presence was for the benefit of the members of the general audience who might or might not have read The Hobbit as a child and really liked the LotR movies but may not have remembered them that well. The prologue ensures that those people understand that they are not seeing the earlier adventures of Frodo but the story of Bilbo from long before Frodo was born. Of course all that's unnecessary for book fans bu we were a small percentage of the movie audience.


Chen G.
Rivendell

Nov 1, 2:11pm

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Oh, absolutely [In reply to] Can't Post

That's Jackson's primary reason for the framing device: to ensure that everyone knows this is a prequel. Especially those who have seen The Lord of the Rings but haven't read either it, or The Hobbit.

That's perfectly valid: one of the main tenets of adaptation is to make the film work for people who have never - and will never - read the book.

I also think old Bilbo is also beneficial for completely new audiences: whenever you're introducting a world so unlike our own to a new audience, you want them to have a strong anchor, and what better anchor than the instantly-sympathetic old grandpa character? Its the same function of old Rose in Titanic.

I just think it should have been much, much shorter for the theatrical cut: basically after the bulk of the prologue, cut to that shot of Frodo going outside, and than Bilbo goes outside, Frodo hangs the "no admittance" sign and leaves, Bilbo sits down and flashback to the narrative of The Hobbit.


(This post was edited by Chen G. on Nov 1, 2:12pm)


skyofcoffeebeans
Rivendell

Nov 2, 1:17am

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Yep [In reply to] Can't Post

Agreed.


Noria
Gondor

Nov 2, 12:06pm

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Agree to disagree [In reply to] Can't Post

I like the Bilbo and Frodo sequence in its entirety.


skyofcoffeebeans
Rivendell

Nov 2, 2:05pm

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Me too [In reply to] Can't Post

I enjoy watching the three minute sequence as a stand-alone piece on YouTube.

As a second prologue to AUJ, I find that, like a whiff of Smaug’s flame, it reduces the film’s pace to ash.


Chen G.
Rivendell

Nov 2, 6:14pm

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As do I [In reply to] Can't Post


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I like the Bilbo and Frodo sequence in its entirety.


I'm speaking strictly the theatrical cut. I think, because this film isn't only the first of this trilogy, but of the whole sextet, a concise theatrical presentation, meant to draw new audiences into the series, was all the more important. Once people are "hooked" they can go back for the extended cut.

My idea: abridge the framing device after the bulk of the prologue, add the battle of Azanulbizar to the prologue and abridge Trollshaws. Keep the extended cut (and the next films) as-is.


Chen G.
Rivendell

Nov 2, 6:38pm

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I did the math [In reply to] Can't Post

Its a reduction of 10-20 minutes. Doesn't sound like much, but it can make the film feel 40 minutes shorter.

It isn't possible strictly as a fan-edit, though. It requires several reaction shots and bits of dialogue that don't exist.


(This post was edited by Chen G. on Nov 2, 6:42pm)


DuBekar
Rivendell


Nov 7, 5:53am

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I miss the days [In reply to] Can't Post

I miss the hype for AUJ and the other Hobbit movies.


Such a great and humble time.

" Why, O people of Noldor! Fëanor cried. Why should we longer serve the jealous Valar, who cannot keep us nor even their own realm secure from their enemy? And though he be now their foe, are not they and he of one kin? Vengence calls me hence, but even were it otherwise I would not dwell longer in the same land with the kin of my father's slayer and of the thief of treasure. Yet i am not the only valiant in this valiant people. And have ye not all lost your King? And what else have ye not lost, cooped here in a narrow land between the mountains and the sea? Here once was light, that the Valar begrudged to middle-earth, but now dark levels all. Shall we mourn here deedless forever, a shadow-folk, mist-haunting, dropping vain tears in the thankless sea? Or shall we return to our home? In cuiviènen sweet ran the waters under uncloaded stars, and wide lands lay about, where a free people might walk. There they lie still and await us who in out folly forsook them. Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!"


jlj93byu
Rivendell

Nov 7, 5:01pm

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Despite the outcome, the build-up was epic. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with you. The anticipation for these movies was amazing. Granted, it may have been too epic and contributed overall to some people's disappointment, but it was a truly exciting time to be sure.

Waiting for any set photos, production videos, and then of course when trailers were released. I remember being disappointed even before TBOFA came out that once I saw it, I'd only have the extended edition to wait for, and then....what?! The illusive director's edition of LOTR with the deleted scenes finally released?!


Bwonder
The Shire


Nov 10, 5:16pm

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Frodo [In reply to] Can't Post

but he's so cute! and it's so nice to see him before the ring gets to himHeart

"Forever and ever my brother,
hail and farewell" - Will Herondale


AshNazg
Gondor


Nov 26, 12:22am

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Agree, except I'm not sure humble is the right word [In reply to] Can't Post

I still suffer flashbacks from some of the more passionate discussions.

I'm sure if the series is good then that electricity will return. We're just catching our breaths for the time being. Laugh

Time sure flies though, doesn't it?


(This post was edited by AshNazg on Nov 26, 12:25am)


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Dec 4, 7:59pm

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I still do too [In reply to] Can't Post

Loved them every since they were released. Are they perfect? no, but I don't think they were suppose to be. You want perfection? then there's the LOTR trilogy!

And that's what always have been bother me since 2012... Audience pretending The Hobbit movies to be equal or maybe even better than LOTR! They are not nor should ever be! The Hobbit trilogy must felt less of every great thing in LOTR, because chronologically it should increase the experience. The more you approach to the end, the better it gets; scale, urgency, stakes, epicness, score, emotions, drama, realism. That's why I still love them as they are.

The only thing still bothers me is not having the option to see a "Martin Freeman in Prologue" version of FOTR, that and the fact that when Bilbo shows his book to Frodo in Rivendell, the illustrations doesn't fit with the ones seen in The Hobbit.

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"

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