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Belegdir
Lorien
Oct 20 2018, 8:38pm
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I read that Wodehouse pastiche.
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It was awful.
I'm also in agreement about Sanderson. His writing is bland and unfocused.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan
Oct 20 2018, 8:47pm
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Like, I tried the Stormlight Archives, or whatever that was, and it literally put me to sleep. Him and Robert Jordan.
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."
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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven
Oct 22 2018, 5:40pm
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Gorlim's situation works for villains who use a body-double of someone they murdered.
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Although the double was not of him but of his wife Eilinel: a vision used to lure him into a trap.
Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.
But so it must be. Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend.
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N.E. Brigand
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Oct 22 2018, 5:41pm
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And of course dismemberment is known in Tolkien's works.
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Thror comes to mind first for me, but a number of other examples will occur to many readers.
Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.
But so it must be. Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend.
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squire
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Oct 22 2018, 6:43pm
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Thror was hacked up and thrown to the crows, as you say.
But I can't think of any other instances of dismemberment of a dead captive in Tolkien, but maybe others can. Of course in the war-time violence of medieval battles by sword and axe, limbs will fly. And in the stories, fingers and hands are lopped off with barely a wince, but that's not the same thing as
" 'Indeed,' said Goodgulf, glaring at Orlon, and if looks could maim, the old elf would have left the embassy in a briefcase.
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N.E. Brigand
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Oct 22 2018, 7:00pm
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What Beorn does to the goblin he captures and what the Rohirrim due to Uglúk, for instance.
Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.
But so it must be. Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend.
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Mari D.
Rivendell
Oct 22 2018, 9:10pm
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There was a while when I read a lot of LotR fanfiction
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but from my recollection few of the authors managed to really imitate both style and spirit of the original works.
Among those I thought more or less suceeded, I reread one of those recently. Being 10 years or so older, I still thought it well written but decided the style was matching the LotR style less actually than I had been thinking.
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sador
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Oct 23 2018, 2:47am
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All those might have been post-mortem.
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However, Gelmir's toture was not.
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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven
Oct 25 2018, 12:01am
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Do you think Gelmir's killer surived?
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Did he successfully make it back to Angband? It seems unlikely. Did he think his errand was a suicide mission?
Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.
But so it must be. Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend.
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sador
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Oct 26 2018, 11:00am
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According to 'The Children of Hurin', he did not.
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But nobody expected Gwindor's onslaught, and Tolkien seems to consider it ill-advised.
Even if Morgoth's purpose was to lure Fingon's army out, I suppose the murderous heralds fully expected to survive.
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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven
Oct 26 2018, 11:30pm
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Reminds me of the Mouth of Sauron.
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Someone here must have made that comparison before.
Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.
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sador
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Oct 28 2018, 3:08am
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Why?
What's the comparison?
The Mouth of Sauron came with an actual offer, even if untrustworthy - it is like an enemy ambassador being interviewed in the main stream media; the heralds who murdered Gelmir were more like an execution broadcast on YouTube to provoke public opinion.
And what ever happened to the Mouth of Sauron?
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Half-elven
Oct 28 2018, 7:27am
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Are we thinking of movie-mouth of Sauron...
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...who movie-Aragorn kills to end the parlay?
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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven
Oct 29 2018, 9:12pm
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True, the differences are also important.
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But in both cases an amassed army of good peoples is greeted outside the gates of the enemy by an emissary who attempts to manipulate them using a prisoner. And I wondered if the Mouth of Sauron, thinking about how things had gone for his predecessor, feared for his own life. Just getting a cold stare from Aragorn unnerves him.
Treachery, treachery I fear; treachery of that miserable creature.
But so it must be. Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend.
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