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What Character(s) will die in Avengers 4?
Poll: What Character(s) will die in Avengers 4?
Iron Man
Captain America
Black Widow
Captain Marvel
War Machine
Rocket Raccoon
All of the above
The Original Avengers (Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hulk)
Other (please elaborate)
I don't know any of these characters
View Results (42 votes)

Thor 'n' Oakenshield

Oct 6 2018, 8:18pm

Post #1 of 20 (4982 views)
What Character(s) will die in Avengers 4? Can't Post

Gotta ask this question; hopefully there are a lot of Marvel fans like me here on TORN?

Superuser / Moderator

Oct 6 2018, 11:18pm

Post #2 of 20 (4934 views)
Tony Stark [In reply to] Can't Post

because he and Potts were planning their wedding. First rule of going to war: the man who talks first about his girl back home ain't getting home alive.

Thor 'n' Oakenshield

Oct 6 2018, 11:28pm

Post #3 of 20 (4931 views)
Good Reasoning… [In reply to] Can't Post

Tony dying is almost a given at this point. I hold out hope that he might live and just retire, rather than die, but…
As long as Thor lives, I can probably make it out of the theater alive. If not, that's it. I'll die in my seat, with my face buried in a bag of popcorn. Nonetheless, though, I voted Cap, Black Widow, and Hulk/Bruce Banner.

(This post was edited by Thor 'n' Oakenshield on Oct 6 2018, 11:34pm)

Grey Havens

Oct 7 2018, 2:49am

Post #4 of 20 (4916 views)
How many of the actors involved completed their contracts? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or risen in price to the point the studio says reboot time?

(This post was edited by sevilodorf on Oct 7 2018, 2:50am)

Thor 'n' Oakenshield

Oct 7 2018, 1:37pm

Post #5 of 20 (4900 views)
Robert Downey Jr's… [In reply to] Can't Post

I am pretty sure his contract was for ten years, which should mean that this is his last film. Whether that means he dies, though, is an open question. Chris Evans' contract, I think, also should end around now, and Chris Hemsworth's (though many people believe his contract will be renewed, at least for one more Thor film). I don't think a reboot of Avengers will be happening anytime soon (I don't think they'll have a new Iron-man, or a new Cap, though other characters might fill those roles – for instance, Shuri with her tech skills could be an Iron-man type, and Bucky could take up Cap's shield); they will probably replace more and more of the old characters with the new ones like Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Spider-man, etc. But Kevin Feige is continuing on with at least some of this series of characters after Avengers 4, we know that for sure, because a bunch of films are already confirmed for the upcoming years (Black Widow, Doctor Strange 2, Spider-man: Far From Home, Guardians of the Galaxy 3). Marvel Studios also just commissioned a script for Dark Avengers.


Oct 8 2018, 5:55pm

Post #6 of 20 (4873 views)
O Captain, my captain [In reply to] Can't Post

Cap is 100 years old and has never adapted to the new world. I think he's ready to head for that big dancehall in the sky and finally have his date with Peggy.

Plus, there's going to be a new Captain in town.

I think Stark will survive. He's already done the noble self-sacrifice thing so that arc's completed.


Oct 15 2018, 9:51pm

Post #7 of 20 (4790 views)
Cap for sure, Iron Man & Nebula are also strong contenders [In reply to] Can't Post

We all know that Chris Evans is saying "goodbye," so I think that's a given that Cap will not survive the final battle. I do hope that Tony Stark decides to finally retire, turning the reigns over to Dr. Strange or Capt. Marvel, & takes Pepper to the Riviera like he talked about in "Iron Man II." However, since he was paid $50 million for the Infinity Wars movies, I think his contract is definitely up. I also would like to see Thor go off in search of any surviving Asgardians, of which there are some apparently, so he'll bow out but obviously could come back. I think Chris Hemsworth wants to do comedy, as he's doing a remake/reboot of "Men in Black" with the Valkyrie. And of course he's starring in "Bad Times at the El Royale," so I think he's ready to move on.

I don't know what is going to happen to Hulk or Hawkeye, but I don't think they'll die, and Scarlet is finally getting a standalone Black Widow movie, although I think it's a prequel. But Black Panther, Spiderman & Dr. Strange are all getting sequels, so they'll be back. "Guardians" was supposed to get a sequel, but that's all up in the air now, however I don't believe Nebula will survive the movie. In the comics she gets ahold of the Gauntlet somehow, but it's too much for her to handle. I think her going out like Loki would be a good ending for her. As an aside, although I love Tom Hiddleston, I do hope it's the end of Loki. He's had such an interesting character arc, going from jealous bro to full villain, to untrustable ally to fully redeemed, and I just don't know what more they can do with that. Besides, fake his death AGAIN??? Yeah, that's getting old.

Superuser / Moderator

Oct 15 2018, 10:45pm

Post #8 of 20 (4784 views)
I'd be surprised (and disappointed) [In reply to] Can't Post

if Loki comes back. His death seemed pretty final to me.

I suspect that what the stones taketh, they can giveth once more - so I reluctantly expect Gamora to return.

Thor 'n' Oakenshield

Oct 16 2018, 12:18am

Post #9 of 20 (4775 views)
Please bring Loki back… [In reply to] Can't Post

because there are multiple reasons why he actually might not have died. He is able to make clones of himself, so it's not inconceivable that the Loki who died was not the real Loki. By rights, he should have turned blue if he had actually died right then and there.
I'd be quite happy if Thor survived (Valkyrie will probably be in Avengers 4, so I suspect she and Thor could team up and – hopefully – survive the Infinity War). Black Widow's standalone movie is a prequel, so there's no reason she couldn't die. The fact that Gamora could be back, though, really bothers me; her death was so pathetic, for a character who could have been so awesome, that it just really angered me. I think that, dead, she could be more a powerful force than alive. She could infiltrate Thanos from inside the Soul Stone, but I don't need to see her come back alive.
I hope Iron Man hands over control of the Avengers to Captain Marvel at the end, as she's going to be the most powerful one, but she should assemble her team composed of Black Panther, Spider-man, Ant-man (though we don't really need him), Wasp, possibly the Guardians assuming their whole franchise doesn't get scrapped now, Bucky as the new Captain America, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, Wong. Am I missing anybody? Vision, apparently, could be returning as well, which is also somewhat frustrating, but I hope it's untrue, or that he returns completely different. Oh, and Shuri too, as a Black Panther in her own right!


Oct 16 2018, 3:19am

Post #10 of 20 (4766 views)
The Return of the Trickster God [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems pretty unlikely that Loki is gone since he is rumored to be getting his own series soon. His death might have been an illusion.


Oct 16 2018, 4:44pm

Post #11 of 20 (4708 views)
Loki didn't make clones [In reply to] Can't Post

he made illusions of himself. As he said to Thor, "Are you ever NOT going to fall for that?"Sly I don't believe that Loki is masquerading as Bruce Banner, but that is something the next movie will explain. Of course, I could be wrong....Crazy


Oct 16 2018, 4:46pm

Post #12 of 20 (4705 views)
Yeah, I've heard that [In reply to] Can't Post

but don't know if TH will be playing Loki. Yeah I know, comic book characters frequently get resurrected, but I truly thought the "series" was a cartoon. I could be wrong about that. And anyway, if TH isn't playing Loki in this series, then I'm truly not interested in watching it. Kind of like someone else playing Gandalf in the Amazon series, some actors just CAN'T be replaced!

Thor 'n' Oakenshield

Oct 16 2018, 11:38pm

Post #13 of 20 (4669 views)
The Bruce Banner is Loki theory… [In reply to] Can't Post

was one that I was really captivated by for a time, because it seemed to explain what looked like continuity gaps (Banner's awkwardness when he meets Nat again, his inability to change into the Hulk, etc), but I don't know if I believe it any longer. I think if Loki did survive, and what died on that ship was an illusion, then he probably actually escaped with Valkyrie (and I think Korg) in the pod, without Thor's knowledge; Valkyrie seems to be coming back for A4, so Loki could return with her. There was also a theory, I think, that because the Space Stone was glowing blue in that scene, that meant it was being used; could Loki have been using it to teleport himself halfway across the universe? Even if he did die, right then and there, as awful a death as that would be for a God of his power, then couldn't he still come back from the dead? What about the rumors that Thor could have to raise the armies of the dead from Hel in the next movie, to fight against Thanos; of course, the dead of Hel are the dishonorable dead, and Thor would probably be offering them as a prize the ability to finally go to Valhalla, and I don't know if Loki would count as having died dishonorably in that scene; I mean, he did betray Thor, but he then tried to kill Thanos…(but I want the Hel theory to come true mainly because I want Hela back, and wouldn't it be AWESOME to see her in battle against Thanos??)
I don't know much yet about the Loki series, but I had not heard that it would be a cartoon. I think it's wrong to relegate him to a miniseries like that, but I'm excited to see the series devoted to Scarlet Witch; though she deserves a starring role in a Doctor Strange movie, in my opinion. It's true, though, that if TH is not playing him, I don't want to see that Loki. He is the only Loki. (As for Gandalf in the Amazon series, I don't even know what to say; I'm not looking forward to that until I hear that Ian and Cate, at least, are reprising their roles; and they could, right? Like, why not?).
Btw, anybody who has any theories about what will happen in A4, whether to Thanos or in regards to plot, ending, Soul Stone, etc, etc, feel free to share! I really love the theory that Dr. Strange sent the Time Stone forward in time before giving it to Thanos, so that Iron Man will find it on Titan at the beginning of A4, and use it to begin building his own Infinity Gauntlet, with which to challenge Thanos for control of the universe. I could actually see that being the first scene, like a prologue, where he and Nebula discover the Stone. I also hope that people are right, and Pepper will don an Iron suit to come rescue Tony from space; or should Captain Marvel show up and rescue him? Or should Captain Marvel rescue Ant-man from the Quantum Realm? Or did Ant-man actually stumble into the Soul World, as some people think? I'll stop now, before I continue rambling for another page and a half Wink


Oct 29 2018, 4:10pm

Post #14 of 20 (4338 views)
Loki's TV show [In reply to] Can't Post

So after posting this I looked it up, and according to this, the shows will be live action & featuring Tom and Elizabeth Olson. This just got way more interesting:


Of course, it could be set in ANY time period, meaning before "Infinity War," which means Loki's death could still be permanent. OTOH, comics are famous for bringing back dead people, so.... Anyway, Netflix has now cancelled "Iron Fist" and "Luke Cage," so it sounds like Disney/Marvel may be taking everything with them in 2019. I might check out Disney streaming IF they make a Loki series with Tom, or I may just buy the series on Amazon like I did with "The Night Manager."

As for A4 theories, I believe the Quantum realm is going to play a big part in undoing the "Snap." I'm thinking Capt. Marvel is somewhere in the Quantum realm, and she'll end up rescuing Ant-Man. I've seen the photos of Pepper as Rescue, and I think that is a scenario that may happen somewhere in the Quantum realm. But beyond this I have no theories. My friend Bill thinks that the whole "Snap" was an illusion given to Thanos by Dr. Strange, to trick him into THINKING he succeeded, and therefore giving everyone time to stop him from finishing the Infinity gauntlet. I think my friend is crazy, but if that happens I'll probably throw something at the screen and walk out!Mad Hm, maybe we should start an A4 theories thread???

(This post was edited by Kilidoescartwheels on Oct 29 2018, 4:10pm)

Thor 'n' Oakenshield

Oct 29 2018, 4:31pm

Post #15 of 20 (4332 views)
I would love an Avengers 4 Theory Thread! [In reply to] Can't Post

Your friend Bill is clearly crazy. He had better be.
I love the theories I've seen about Pepper as Rescue, and it looks like it's true; if it's in the Quantum Realm, that is great, because I love that place. I'd love to see the inhabitants of the Quantum Realm, the ones who outfitted Janet Van Dyne in her cool nomad-warrior outfit; apparently you can see a city in the Quantum Realm, in Antman & The Wasp.

I'll start a thread on A4 theories! Smile

The Shire

Nov 23 2018, 9:33pm

Post #16 of 20 (2152 views)
I love Loki [In reply to] Can't Post

Loki was my #1 favorite character in the MCU, and I know that he wouldn't have gone out like that. It was a cheap shot to a character with a huge fan base that would obviously be upset at his gruesome and uncharacteristic end. It was shock writing at its finest. Loki is a trickster, not an aggressive moron. Not a fan of the writing in that scene. I hope he comes back but I'm not holding my breath. The TV show gives me hope, but they could just set it prior to IW and then all our hopes are dashed. Unless that series drops a hint that Loki is still alive somewhere in the cosmos. In the comics he is reincarnated many times, once even into a woman.

In A4, I voted Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Nebula. I'd wager Nebula will pay Gamora back for saving her on Thanos's ship and bring her back while defeating Thanos and killing herself in the process. Iron Man's death was teased in Infinity War. It might not have been foreshadowing. I think Hawkeye will get it because it's weird that he was absent from the first one. I think they want to bring him back to give him a final farewell. His character (to me) is probably the biggest let down of all the Avengers. He has a lot of potential but he's just boring to me.

(This post was edited by Saruman on Nov 23 2018, 9:34pm)

Tol Eressea

Dec 14 2018, 12:02am

Post #17 of 20 (1345 views)
oooooooooooooooooooooooo [In reply to] Can't Post

good call....

Tol Eressea

Dec 14 2018, 12:04am

Post #18 of 20 (1343 views)
Thor.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I will be making something else soggy if that happens (no popcorn)...


I suspect we might lose Cap... didn't he die in the comic???????

Thor 'n' Oakenshield

Dec 14 2018, 12:09am

Post #19 of 20 (1341 views)
Cap's the one most likely to die, sadly [In reply to] Can't Post

I just hope that he gets to save Bucky before that happens.

I suspect Tony will survive, but retire at the end.

Thor…I hope he's safe, I think he'll show up in Guardians of the Galaxy 3, or at least, I hope so. If he dies, I die with him.

Black Widow is getting her own movie in 2020, so she should be safe, but the movie is a prequel to all this, so there's no way to know for sure.

Hawkeye has clearly lost his entire family, and is a battle-worn man now. I think he could die.

Bruce Banner…I don't honestly know about him. I feel like he'll die.

Tol Eressea

Dec 14 2018, 2:52am

Post #20 of 20 (1335 views)
hmmmmm [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Cap dies in the comic version and Tony is mourning him... a heartwrenching end to their conflict...

There are several people who pick up the shield in the comics (Falcon, Bucky, maybe others?)...

I thought Hulk was indestructible... but we've seen some limits for him now...

Hawkeye needs some screen time... the un-super guy among all the supers... I think he'll have a change of character here...

My distant ancestors probably worshipped Thor, I've done viking living history, so Thor's kind of close to my heart... and Chris Hemsworth... just... having a Chrises...


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