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Lord of the Rings and X-men and Legend


Oct 3 2018, 8:15am

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Sauron as portrayed in X-men is I believe the same character as Lord of the Rings, and the father of Darkness in Legend. The voice actors name in X-men is Karl Lykos. MTV news once stated on broadcast from Kurt Loader the name of the father of Darkness from Legend. I don't remember it.

Daniel L Newhouse


Oct 3 2018, 1:30pm

Post #2 of 8 (1695 views)
Nope! [In reply to] Can't Post

Marvel Comics' Sauron was born as a human named Karl Lykos (not a voice actor). The character is an energy vampire who resembles a humanoid pterosaur. He may share the same name as Tolkien's Dark Lord of Mordor but they are completely different characters.

There's nothing in Legend to connect it to Tolkien's Middle-earth, so Sauron as the Father of Darkness seems unlikely. Tim Curry played Darkness, but his father never appeared in the film, not even as a disembodied voice.

"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison


Oct 3 2018, 4:53pm

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If Marvel had copied Tolkien's Sauron in any detail, the Tolkien Foundation lawyers would surely have acted... // [In reply to] Can't Post


"Go down to the shovel store and take your pick." Traditional prank played on dwarves when they start down the mine.


Oct 3 2018, 10:13pm

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Yes. [In reply to] Can't Post

The lawyers for the Tolkien Estate would certainly have taken action. Roy Thomas might have used the name as an intentional homage or he may have just liked the sound of it.

"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison


Oct 3 2018, 10:21pm

Post #5 of 8 (1652 views)
I remember him. [In reply to] Can't Post

At the time fans wrote in protesting he wasn't evil enough to be "worthy" of the name of Sauron. Thomas pointed out that the guy had named himself so it was a sign of his egoism.

"Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!"
"Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in
thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond
all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled
mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye."
"Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may."
"Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!"
"But no living man am I! I am Eowyn, daughter of Theodwyn!"
"Er, really? My mother's name was Theodwyn, too!"
"No way!"
"Wow! Let's stop fighting and be best friends!"

-Zack Snyder's The Return of the King

(This post was edited by Darkstone on Oct 3 2018, 10:22pm)


Oct 3 2018, 10:48pm

Post #6 of 8 (1645 views)
In the comic where 'Sauron' first appears, it's made clear the guy is a Tolkien fan. [In reply to] Can't Post

In an early frame of the comic, the guy is seen reading 'Lord of the Rings'. The title was hand-lettered on an otherwise featureless book in the shadowy foreground in his apartment - the idea was just to establish his fandom. And when he takes form as the flying thingie (like a pterosaur) he names himself 'Sauron' in homage to the super-villain in his favorite book: bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! and all.

Other than that, as noted, his character, powers, and action have nothing to do with Tolkien's Dark Lord.

God only knows why I remember this, given it was probably about 45 years ago. I guess as a really dedicated Tolkien and Marvel fan I was really struck by the whole new idea that 'cross over' was possible from one world to another!

squire online:
RR Discussions: The Valaquenta, A Shortcut to Mushrooms, and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit
Lights! Action! Discuss on the Movie board!: 'A Journey in the Dark'. and 'Designing The Two Towers'.
Archive: All the TORn Reading Room Book Discussions (including the 1st BotR Discussion!) and Footerama: "Tolkien would have LOVED it!"
Dr. Squire introduces the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: A Reader's Diary

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Oct 3 2018, 11:03pm

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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think I've ever seen the first appearance of (Marvel's) Sauron, though I do recall a memorable story with him when Spider-Man visited the Savage Land.

"For a brief time I was here; and for a brief time I mattered." - Harlan Ellison

Dunadan of North Arnor
The Shire

Oct 4 2018, 1:07pm

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Marvelís would win on differing root derivations/pronunciations (Greek v Quenya) // [In reply to] Can't Post



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