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Hobbit book future editions with movie elements?
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Chen G.
Lorien

Sep 25, 8:38pm

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I think these films, especially in the extended format, sort of command the audience's attention in a way that not a lot of tentpole blockbusters do. If you think of the number of characters and subplots within each film and the none-linear nature of the plot - its actually quite surprising that one could keep up with the films.

I mean, I recently did a head-count of characters in The Return of the King - It doesn't fall very short of Infinity War. Except the films in this series are also much more none-linear, with framing devices, flashbacks, flash-forwards, voiceovers, etcetra...


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Paulo Gabriel
The Shire

Sep 26, 4:46am

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Don't worry, I was defending the films, not criticizing them -- unlike a lot of people here, I really like the Hobbit trilogy (in extended format, nonetheless!).


Chen G.
Lorien

Sep 26, 12:31pm

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I like that its the way that it is. Its almost avant-garde, in its own way.

Think about the framing device of The Hobbit: We start right before The Shire scenes of The Fellowship of the Ring, but we end in a scene where Bilbo is sitting down, staring at his ring.

Where did that come from? Well, chronologically (i.e. according to the sujet) this scene happens immediately after a scene in Fellowship of the Ring where Bilbo thinks he lost the ring, and searches frentically for it. So, after having an "episode" of sorts, he sits down quietly with the ring.

I think that's really neat.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 26, 2:26pm

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You were? You did? I would have never guessed that from that post! Wink

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Paulo Gabriel
The Shire

Sep 27, 2:45am

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Don't worry, I was defending the films, not criticizing them -- unlike a lot of people here, I really like the Hobbit trilogy (in extended format, nonetheless!).


You were? You did? I would have never guessed that from that post! Wink


I might have expressed myself badly. I said people don't pay the attention to the movies that they DESERVE. Or at least that was my intent.


dreamflower
Lorien

Oct 2, 3:17pm

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The books are the books and the movies are the movies. They exist in two different universes, "book-verse" and "movie-verse".

And movie-verse is fanfiction; expensive, authorized, fanfiction. I love fanfiction.

But I love the books better! Don't go messing with them.

And I think a detailed description of the movie-verse barrel scene would be more boring in a book than you think--what took a few paragraphs in TH as JRRT wrote it would take pages and pages of description to get in every little bit of the action that seems so exciting on the screen.

Of course, I would not object to a comic-book version of the movie. But just so long as it was made clear it was NOT based on the book.

Some people call it fanfiction. I call it story-internal literary criticism.


dreamflower
Lorien

Oct 2, 3:21pm

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No. The assignment was for the book Tolkien wrote. When someone substitutes a movie or a "storybook" or any other version they are NOT doing the assignment.

Books are not boring to those who are willing to use their imagination.

Some people call it fanfiction. I call it story-internal literary criticism.


StingingFly
Lorien


Oct 3, 12:26am

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what I am hoping for is a future Movie with Book elements... [In reply to] Can't Post

As I've said before, Mirkwood was the greatest lost opportunity of these films. One of my favorite parts of the book, it includes two very good sequences...
The one is the suspense filled journey, as they wander further into the wild, surrounded by eyes in the dark.
The other is Bilbo's great moment of heroism, where he saves the party and battles the spiders.

There were things I liked, such as the meeting in Bree, which helps make sense of the Quest. The movie needed more thoughtful additions like this and less flying ninja elves, bunny sleds, and Alfrid.


Chen G.
Lorien

Oct 3, 12:47pm

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Mirkwood has to go down as one of my favorite setpieces of the entire series. There's nothing overt that's happening: no black squirrels and bats attack the company, and yet you can feel the foreboding.

That's because it: a) has build-up, both in the previous film and this one and b) because it uses the tool-box of cinema to get us into the drowsy headspace of the characters.

For instance, as they go deeper and deeper into the forest the light grows dimmer (an indication of nightfall and therefore passage of time) and more saturation is drawn out of the color palette. The camera gradually starts wandering about the characters, and all manner of in-camera effects such as jump-cuts and reverse-photography are used to disorient the audience.

Its part of why The Desolation of Smaug is so great.


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