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Signum University Silmarillion Film Project Cast Results: Season 3


Jul 26 2018, 8:54pm

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Signum University Silmarillion Film Project Cast Results: Season 3 Can't Post

So these are results for a poll regarding various characters in the Silmarillion, as part of the SilmFilm project. Season 3 encompasses the Rebellion of the Noldor to the Rising of the Sun, as well as a Frame Narrative regarding Aragorn's upbringing. Casting includes the Houses of Feanor, Fingolfin, and Finarfin, as well as Elves in Beleriand, including Luthien and Daeron. Link is below.

Miscellaneous (Maiar/Villains)
Tilion - Darri Ingolfson
Boldog - Conan Stevens
Shelob (Voice) - Julia Bache-Wiig

Halbarad - Kieran Bew
Hamilcar - Aramis Knight
Teen Estel - Timothe Chalamet

Telchar - Zo Bell
Gamil Brg - Brian Blessed
Norn - Errikos Litsis
Azaghl - Javier Bardem
Laurin - Brendan Gleeson

Elves of Beleriand
Lthien - Jessica Brown Findlay
Daeron - George Blagden
Denethor - Matt Cohen
Saeros - Rob James-Collier
Galdor - Tom Payne

Maedhros - Armie Hammer
Maglor - Oliver Thompsett
Celegorm - Sam Claflin
Curufin - Ben Barnes
Caranthir - NOT CAST*
Amrod - Harry Treadaway
Amras - Luke Treadaway
Celebrimbor - Ezra Miller

House of Fingolfin
Fingon - Brandon Routh
Turgon - Pl Sverre Hagen
Aredhel - Charlotte Riley
Elenw - Gabriella Wilde
Young Idril - Mckenna Grace

House of Finarfin
Finrod - Nico Evers-Swindell
Angrod - Chris Zylka
Aegnor - Scott Eastwood
Orodreth - Toby Regbo
Amari - Maude Hirst


Notes: Caranthir was not cast due to the Hosts' dissatisfaction with the casting choices, mainly regarding physique.


I always follow my job through.

(This post was edited by ange1e4e5 on Jul 26 2018, 8:56pm)


Jul 26 2018, 10:08pm

Post #2 of 8 (1781 views)
Ah, I'm a little overwhelmed and underwhelmed [In reply to] Can't Post

I got lost quite quickly: I couldn't find Melian, Thingol, or Feanor in your list, but those are three of the characters I know best. What is Shelob doing in there? Why are the Valar excluded from the casting list?

As far as I can tell, the Silmarillion from the Rebellion of the Noldor to the Rising of the Sun is three chapters, about 25 pages. And that's an entire season, for a 250 page book (adapting the First Age only). Who is writing all these outlines/scripts, and what are their ideas about marketing this project? I know this is a fan effort, but is there a sense of perspective or reality here?

Then I tried to check out some of the choices on IMDB, to see if I could understand the logic of their casting for a script I haven't read. Starting with Jessica Brown Findlay, the chosen Luthien Tinuviel, I found this unfortunate note in her actor's bio: "Trained as a dancer but switched to acting after bungled ankle surgery ended her dancing career." Maybe another actor? Luthien is defined by her dancing.

Then I realized you did give a link to a video that might explain it all. I opened that up and found a 2-1/4 hour tape that, as far as I can tell, is two "hosts" reviewing, chattily and without much focus, the 'choices' of 25 people who had submitted their nominations for all this casting. The hosts admit up front that they know very little of modern TV and film, and are unfamiliar with the vast majority of names submitted as nominations. They seem to make their final choices based on a couple of photos in make-up and costume for other roles, and what they've heard about the actors' most well-known commercial parts. For instance, they didn't actually read Findlay's entry, as I did, to find her physical flaw; instead they went on about how Luthien is impossible to cast in any case because she represents an idealized character more perfect than any human could ever be. Well, yes. That actually applies to all of Tolkien's Elves, doesn't it? And short circuits the entire project. I stopped watching at that point.

So these hosts do know something about the Tolkien book, but the disconnect between their familiarity with Tolkien and their casting, or finalizing the casting of, this 'film project' seems odd.

So sorry, I can't respond more deeply than this. I will suggest it's a bit of a stretch to ask folks to watch a 2:18 video in order to understand a post.

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Jul 26 2018, 10:18pm

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Roles like Thingol, Melian and Feanor were cast previously. [In reply to] Can't Post

They're going in chronological order, with the exception of a Frame Narrative about Aragorn growing up.

This list is of Eru and most Ainur.
Iluvatar: Ralph Fiennes http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000146/

Melkor: Michael Fassbender http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1055413/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Manwe: Daniel Day-Lewis http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000358/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Varda: Lucy Liu http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005154/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Ulmo: Manu Bennet http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071847/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Aule: Liev Schreiber http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000630/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Yavanna: Gina Torres http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0868659/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Nienna: Marion Cotillard http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0182839/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Tulkas: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0425005/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Nessa: Summer Glau http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1132359/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Orome: Alexander Skarsgard http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002907/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Vana: Amandla Stenberg http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3964350/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Mandos: Idris Elba http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252961/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Vaire: Holly Hunter http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000456/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Lorien: Alexander Siddig http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0796502/?ref_=nv_sr_2
Este: Lyndie Greenwood http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3442405/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Mairon: Simon Woods http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1373034/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Osse: Ben Schnetzer http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3115493/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Uinen: Sofia Boutella http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1154749/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Melian: Rachel Weitz http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001838/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Olorin: Gael Garcia Bernal http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0305558/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
Curumo: Domhnall Gleeson http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1727304/?ref_=tt_cl_t10
Ungoliant: Morena Baccarin http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1072555/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Eonwe: Liam Hemsworth http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2955013/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Ilmare: Yoo-Jeong Kim http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2498552/?ref_=nmmd_md_nm
Gothmog: Chris Pine http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1517976/

Gilraen: Alicia Vikander http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2539953/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Elrond: Benedict Cumberbatch http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1212722/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Bilbo: James McAcoy http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0564215/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Estel: Jason Drucker http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6099602/

Season 2 encompassed the Coming of the Elves to the Darkening of Valinor.

Season 2:

Galadriel - Diane Kruger http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1208167/
Celebran - Sally Hawkins http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1020089/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Arwen - Gemma Arterton http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2605345/?ref_=nv_sr_2
Eirien - Rebecca Ferguson http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0272581/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Celeborn - Patrick Wilson http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0933940/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Elladan and Elrohir - Colin Morgan and Ben Wishaw http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2959880/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Draugluin - Toby Kebbell http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1527905/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Thuringwethil - Carey Mulligan http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1659547/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Tevildo - Tom Waits http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001823/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

Arien - Julia Montes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Montes
Aiwendil - Matthew Lewis http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0507535/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Tom Bombadil - Kristofer Hivju http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1970465/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Fimbrethil - Maggie Smith http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001749/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Treebeard - Patrick Stewart http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001772/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Elves of Cuivinen
Ingw - Carey Elwes http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000144/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Indis - Rosamund Pike http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0683253/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Finw - Rufus Sewell http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001722/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Mriel - Jennifer Connelly http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000124/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Mahtan - Kevin McKidd http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571727/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Elw - Paul Bettany http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0079273/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Beleg - Ioan Gruffudd http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0344435/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Mablung - Luke Goss http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0331577/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Olw - Joseph Fiennes http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001212/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Crdan - Damian Lewis http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0507073/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Lenw - Edward Hogg http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1296102/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
El - Mark Strong http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0835016/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Nurwen - Keira Knightly http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0461136/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Tati - Emily Cox http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2686957/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Morw - Matthew Goode http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0328828/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Elves of Valinor
Rmil - Ben Crompton http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0174005/?ref_=nv_sr_2
Iminy - Laura Dern http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000368/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Fanor - Richard Armitage http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0035514/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Nerdanel - Emily Blunt http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1289434/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Findis - Jennie Jacques http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3262524/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Irim - Josephin Asplund http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4739140/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Fingolfin - Tom Hiddleston http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1089991/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Anair - Vicky McClure http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0566049/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Finarfin - Dan Stevens http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1405398/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Earwen - Holliday Grainger http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0334441/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Season 1 Poll Results

Season 2 Poll Results

I always follow my job through.

(This post was edited by ange1e4e5 on Jul 26 2018, 10:20pm)

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Jul 28 2018, 10:31am

Post #4 of 8 (1548 views)
I like the idea of the Rock as Tulkas [In reply to] Can't Post

As long as he accepts it won't be a major role! In film time, anyway!

Petty Dwarf

Jul 28 2018, 4:56pm

Post #5 of 8 (1534 views)
But what is the point of this? [In reply to] Can't Post

What is the end goal in mind with this project? Are they planning on actually attempting to hire all of these actors and make this? If not, why bother with this at all?

Sorry to be a downer, but I don't understand the purpose.

"No words were laid on stream or stone
When Durin woke and walked alone."


Jul 28 2018, 8:17pm

Post #6 of 8 (1523 views)
It's an exercise in adaptation, entirely theoretical, and authorized by the Tolkien estate (since there's no money made off it). [In reply to] Can't Post

This is just one piece of the puzzle; the other parts involves scriptwriting, plot details, sets, props, costumes, and music.
As of right now, they're trying to decide whether or not to compress 456 years of the First Age (the rising of the Sun to the duel between Fingolfin and Morgoth) into a single season of 13 episodes.

I always follow my job through.

(This post was edited by ange1e4e5 on Jul 28 2018, 8:20pm)

The Shire

Aug 1 2018, 7:36pm

Post #7 of 8 (1412 views)
Some of the experiment is quite interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

According to the website https://mythgard.org/silmfilm/, the goal of this project is:

The Silmarillion Film Project is an educational exercise and thought experiment being conducted by the Mythgard Institute of Signum University as a means of fostering an understanding of and appreciation for The Silmarillion and the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, as well as encouraging Tolkien research, scholarship, and commentary. It is neither the purpose nor intention of the Silmarillion Film Project, its hosts, the Mythgard Institute, or Signum University to create an audiovisual adaptation of The Silmarillion.

I haven't delved too deeply into the project contents, but reading through a few of the scripts is very interesting! For example, check out their Season 1 Finale https://forums.signumuniversity.org/...ion-finale-time.235/ which centers on the Siege of Utumno.

The whole project seems like an interesting thought experiment, but I do agree with you that to go all the way to casting for the sake of this thought experiment seems a bit strange...


Aug 2 2018, 1:57am

Post #8 of 8 (1386 views)
Casting [In reply to] Can't Post

Brendan Gleeson should be Aule- with a giant hammer. But he would probably make a cool Dwarf too.

Liam Neesom for Thingol with Kathryn Zeta Jones as Melian.

Tom Cruise as Feanor, Christian Bale as Maedhros and Eric Bana as Fingolfin now there's some star power.

Oh and Chris Hemsworth as Hurin or Turin and Gerard Butler for Eonwe.

Maybe Hugh Jackman could play an Easterling and Anthony Hopkins could play old Hurin and also be a narrator.


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