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First post here in a while! Question about book reading order

vtboyarc
Lorien


Apr 16, 8:14pm

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Hello all!
Wow, it's been a while since I've been here!

So, with The Fall of Gondolin coming out soon, I am wanting to take another dive back into the books.
What are some recommendations for reading order?
My thoughts were:
The Silmarillion
The Fall of Gondolin
Beren and Luthien
The Children of Hurin
The Hobbit
and then, Lord of the Rings
in that order! Thoughts?


InTheChair
Lorien

Apr 16, 8:38pm

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When you write another dive back, that suggest you read some of the books before. [In reply to] Can't Post

What have you read before?


vtboyarc
Lorien


Apr 16, 9:07pm

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What have you read before?
I just haven't read The Fall of Gondolin and Beren and Luthien.
It has been a while for most the other books; mainly curious for a good "chronological order" to read them all in.

Edit: Also, Unfinished Tales, throw that in the mix too. Probably right before The Hobbit?





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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Apr 16, 11:02pm

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A Chronological Order [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, the tales of the First Age intermingle quite a bit, but if you are looking for a roughly chronological order:

1. The SIlmarillion ("Ainulindale", "Valaquenta" and "Quenta Silmarllion")
2. The Children of Hurn
3. Beren and Luthien
4. The Fall of Gondolin
5. Unfinished Tales (Parts One and Two)
6. The Silmarillion ("Akallabeth" and "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age")
7. The Hobbit
8. The Lord of the Rings
9. Unfinished Tales (Parts Three and Four)

If you really wanted to, you could break this down even further between the various volumes, especially where the essays of UT are concerned.

"I may be on the side of the angels, but do not think for one second that I am one of them." - Sherlock

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vtboyarc
Lorien


Apr 17, 1:31am

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Wow, better than I was even hoping for, broke some of the books down into different sections! Love it! Thank you!
I am going to read the books in that way, I think it will add a new element to it. Now for August when the new books releases!


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 17, 10:32am

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Hey! HI! :D [In reply to] Can't Post

It's great to see you out and about :D You've got a great list from others to keep you busy. Have fun with your read!!




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vtboyarc
Lorien


Apr 17, 11:02am

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Gramma!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, it’s been so long.
How are you!?
I feel like I’ve missed so much here!
But, I’ve never stopped being a Tolkien fan! :D


grammaboodawg
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Apr 17, 11:42am

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Doing great :) [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks! You know TORn... there's always a light on somewhere ;)




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Meneldor
Valinor


Apr 17, 2:27pm

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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 17, 2:48pm

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I thought B&L was before CoH?

Well, my placement in part reflects the order in which the tales appear in the Quenta Silmarillion, but there is also considerable cross-over in the events. Doesn't it all depend on what parts of the stories we place our focus?

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Undermäki
The Shire

Apr 17, 3:05pm

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Reading Order Calculators [In reply to] Can't Post

If you really want to be obsessive, this page links to a couple of different Tolkien reading order "calculators": http://www.chronology.org/tolkien/

When Beren and Luthien came out, the author of the page didn't change anything about the calculators (and he even explains why on the page). We'll see if Fall of Gondolin really changes anything for these calculators, either.

I'm reading through with the Expanded Version right now. It's been nice reading all of the various segments spread out through Unfinished Tales, Return of the King appendices, and History of Middle-earth in proper, chronological order.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Apr 17, 6:53pm

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Considerable crossover between Beren & Lúthien and The Children of Húrin? [In reply to] Can't Post

Except for the very short snippets Christopher selected from the “Nauglafring” and Eärendil material, in what way are these two books overlapping? B&L is always placed before the story of Túrin in every text, annal, and chronology that Tolkien ever wrote as far as I’m aware.

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InTheChair
Lorien

Apr 17, 7:01pm

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Difficult to recommend since only you know what you wan't.

My best suggestion would be to read the books you haven't read first.

So B&L first and the Fall of Gondolin.

After that you can take anything depending on what these two books inspire you to revisit.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Apr 17, 7:43pm

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I never meant to suggest that the tales of these characters literally intersect or interconnect. Chronologically, their stories take place during roughly the same period. That is all I meant. It really matters not at all which story is read first. Is that really so hard to understand? Unsure

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squire
Half-elven


Apr 17, 9:33pm

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It seems a shame that we've forgotten how the tales were once linked in verse. [In reply to] Can't Post

In the second version of the "Lay of the Children of Hurin", the epic poem that is printed in History of Middle-earth vol. 3, there is a scene where young Turin is being escorted through perilous lands to the Elven refuge of Doriath. His two older companions comfort him by singing "Light as Leaf on Linden-tree" -- a poem-within-a-poem, not even in the alliterative meter of the Lay -- which tells the boy of how Beren first found Luthien dancing in the woods. The uplifting tale makes the creepy surroundings seem to fade away.

This episode was omitted from all subsequent retellings of the Turin saga, because it takes up a lot of space when Tolkien was trying to compress his stories in the Quenta Silmarillion, in the 1930s. And then ... looking for a song for Strider to sing to the hobbits to ward off the fear below Weathertop in The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien noted in his drafts: "Use Light as Leaf on Linden-tree!" And so the poem was reborn.

Now Children of Hurin has finally been published as a full-length prose version of Turin's story. There presumably would have been space for a nice poem that ties Beren to Turin, a boy who lived so much later than the famous one-handed Hero who survived only in the legends and songs of later Men (thus, the two were hardly "contemporaries", unless everyone in the First Age is a contemporary). But Christopher Tolkien probably left it out, I imagine partly because it was never even mentioned in all the later prose tellings, and partly because it had become an indelible part of LotR for the expected readers of CoH.



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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 17, 11:50pm

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Thanks for the reminder that Beren is actually older than Húrin. That is an excellent argument for placing Beren and Lúthien before The Children of Húrin. Then again, the story of Túrin comes to an end before Beren and Lúthien meet their final fate. Wink

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squire
Half-elven


Apr 18, 12:20am

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I had not noticed that before - I had to check one of those handy internet timelines to see what you were talking about!

Maybe Tolkien eliminated the 'Light as Leaf on Linden-tree' from his Turin chronicle because he realized it was too soon to have Beren and Luthien immortalized in song, if they were still 'alive' (back from the dead, to be sure, and living in obscurity) at the time the song was being sung!



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vtboyarc
Lorien


Apr 18, 3:30am

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So... [In reply to] Can't Post

Wowza! So many awesome replies to this post!
Needless to say, I’m a bit overwhelmed at the moment.
Can anyone out togyeher an updated “chronological” reading list from everything taken from this post?
Or is it mainly swap around Beren and Luthein and CoH?
Thanks again everyone!!

 
 

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