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A question for our Kiwi crowd

squire
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Feb 19, 1:45am

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I was reading a fan article by a Midlands English woman who relocated to Australia and then New Zealand, and I noticed she constantly omitted the comma after the province of NZ where the Jackson films were shot: she always wrote about "Aotearoa New Zealand", instead of "Aotearoa, New Zealand".

But then I began to suspect it was me, not her (don't laugh, please), and looked it up. I found that the first word is the Maori (or a Maori) term for the North Island, now often enough used for the whole country - by some.

This is the first time I've encountered this, so I'm guessing it's a relatively new thing. My question is: How common is this usage? Is NZ going to change its official name in this manner?



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Ataahua
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Feb 19, 3:00am

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But then I began to suspect it was me, not her (don't laugh, please), and looked it up. I found that the first word is the Maori (or a Maori) term for the North Island, now often enough used for the whole country - by some. ?


While Aotearoa (Land of the Long White Cloud) is an alternative name for the North Island it was never widely used in that way. In practice, it's the Maori name for all of NZ. Kupe, the first Polynesian explorer to find these islands, is occasionally attributed with coining the name: it's said that he saw a long line of cloud in the distance and thought there must be land beneath it.

After consulting with tribes back in 2013, Land Information New Zealand confirmed the following official Maori names for the North and South islands:
* Te Ika a Maui (the fish of Maui) for the North Island.
* Te Wai Pounamu (the waters of greenstone) for the South Island.

Note that people can use either name, Maori or English. Same goes for Aotearoa or New Zealand.

Alternative names also considered by LINZ and the tribes are near the bottom of this webpage:
https://www.linz.govt.nz/...and-and-south-island

You'll see that one of the possible names for the South Island is Te Waka-a-Maui (the canoe of Maui), referencing the tale of how Maui fished up the North Island from his canoe:
http://eng.mataurangamaori.tki.org.nz/...i-and-the-giant-fish

As for calling it 'Aotearoa New Zealand' (no comma), that's a frequent style for using both Maori and Engish names for public places, e.g. Rotokare Barrett's Domain, Aoraki Mount Cook. That format isn't regularly used for the country's name but I do see it occasionally. Smile

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Starling
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Feb 19, 7:01am

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NZ / Aotearoa pretty interchangeably, as do a lot of people I know.
The use of Aotearoa (meaning NZ) has been around for ages, but it is much more mainstream in the Pakeha world now, not just among Maori. But how often it is used would depend on the circles you move in.
But there are still plenty of stick in the mud people around who don't seem able to cope. A facebook page I am on which is for people to post and reminisce about their school days had a member threaten to leave because the page was called 'Aotearoa Old Friends'. One or two agreed with him, and the rest of us said 'Don't let the door hit you on the way out...'




Ataahua
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Feb 19, 8:34am

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... the rest of us said 'Don't let the door hit you on the way out...'


One local councillor recently objected to the Maori name appearing first in dual-language titles. Such small-mindedness is par for the course from him, unfortunately.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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