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Three is company?
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Chen G.
Rivendell

Feb 18, 11:49am

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Not the point I was going for, but yes [In reply to] Can't Post


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This is actually talked about extensively in the film appendices (starts at 3:04): https://www.youtube.com/...8wowC2-fI&t=184s


That's more about the shift of tone, which is also a very good point: The Battle of The Five Armies is a very grim motion picture.

But I am talking about the fact that the film just about opens with the death of Smaug and new audiences go: "Well, what's next?" That's a great subversion of expectation, I find.

Its like how The Dark Knight sees the Joker captured at the midpoint. But I think the best example is a Korean film, The Chaser, where the killer is captured in the first twenty minutes, much like this film.


Laineth
Lorien

Feb 19, 5:49pm

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This is actually talked about extensively in the film appendices (starts at 3:04): https://www.youtube.com/...8wowC2-fI&t=184s


That's more about the shift of tone, which is also a very good point: The Battle of The Five Armies is a very grim motion picture.

But I am talking about the fact that the film just about opens with the death of Smaug and new audiences go: "Well, what's next?" That's a great subversion of expectation, I find.

Its like how The Dark Knight sees the Joker captured at the midpoint. But I think the best example is a Korean film, The Chaser, where the killer is captured in the first twenty minutes, much like this film.


Ah, I see your point now. The (new) audience probably expects happily ever after, but instead everything falls apart.


Chen G.
Rivendell

Feb 20, 11:30am

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It subverts the tropes of adventure stories, and its the same with the last chapters of the book. By making it a feature-film, the filmmakers are ostensibly underlining that theme, which would have felt more muddled had it just been the third act of the second film.


DigificWriter
Rivendell

Aug 27, 4:32am

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Perception vs Reality [In reply to] Can't Post

Something that has always bothered me but that never seems to be addressed is the difference between perception and reality in terms of how, why, and when the shift from two films to three happened.

Perception tells us three things:
1) The films were only split into a Trilogy because of "greed"

2) There was not enough material to organically accommodate a third film and so it had to be created "from scratch", thus padding things out unnecessarily

3) Extensive reshoots were necessary in order to create the third film in the trilogy

Reality, on the other hand, shows us the following:
1) 3/4 of the material that makes up all 3 films, both Theatrical and Extended, was planned for and shot during the Principal Photography phase of the production that lasted from March 2011 to July 2012

2) The only significant material that was added when supplemental filming and Pickup shooting began in May 2013 was the Carrock sequence that concludes An Unexpected Journey, the prologue elements of The Desolation of Smaug involving Gandalf and Thorin in Bree, and the Forges sequence that concludes The Desolation of Smaug

3) The only material that was actually 'reshot' involved Azog, and was done only because the originally planned ideas for the character, particularly his appearance, ended up not working as hoped

It's frustrating to me, particularly as a fan of the films, that perception has been allowed to drive much of the opinion-based narrative surrounding the trilogy without enough of a pushback in terms of the reality of things as we know they are.

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