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Keep the Eloquence AND the Innocence


Apr 30 2008, 8:06pm

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Keep the Eloquence AND the Innocence Can't Post

Hey, I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm a huge Lord of the Rings fan, and I know that everyone doesn't want GDT to make the movies exactly like Lord of the Rings, but he should at least make them with the same eloquence as Jackson did. I don't want to see the Hobbit be made into a really corny movie just because its more innocent. I don't think the elves should sing as they do in the book (if they do it should be in hushed almost haunting whispers that are more like sirens"). And I don't think Smaug should talk. Now before I continue, he should have lines, but he should say them without moving his mouth and in a somewhat more mystic manner. I'm sorry I just think Smaug talking is incredibly corny. I do think the movies should be less dark than Lord of the Rings but in no manner less eloquent. Fans and purists will probably bash me for this but It's truly what I think is in best interest for the movies, Im not sure if anyone else agrees.

Lost Hobbit

Apr 30 2008, 8:24pm

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Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Interesting point of view...So it should be kind of mystic manner. I suppose, it should look like this - he should be moving his head, but the sound should come out like it was at PJs - it should sound like the voice of Sauron (I see you) or Ash Nazg. I was thinking of it and I can not imagine Smaug moving his lips (or what he has) like Gollum did it.


I don't think the elves should sing as they do in the book

Well maybe it should be an excerpt, like that one with Frodo and Sam watching elves passing in extended version. But it really shouldn't become a musical.


Apr 30 2008, 8:47pm

Post #3 of 6 (163 views)
Fair expectations. [In reply to] Can't Post

Those are fair expectations. :)

As per singing, there was allot more than just elves singing in The Hobbit. Poetry too. PJ's LotR did have elves singing, you just didn't see them. It was ethereal and in the background. I thought it was a comprimise that worked well. Certainly, we aren't getting a Sondheim musical, or a line of dwarves marching in step to "Hi-ho, hi-ho..."

And yah, what to do about Smaug's dialog is going to take some creative ingenuity. I too had thought perhaps a telepathic communication might be workable, maybe in unison with a muted, but naturally audible, reptilian roars and grunts in the background. {???} But certainly, the dialog should be preserved, since.talking dragons are something of a mythological standard. Now if I can just get the idea that they all talk like Sean Connery out of my head... ;P

Disclaimer (beta): The opinions expessed here are in no way intended to influence the decisions or artistic choices of anyone making movies that may or may not have something to do with hobbits. -mwirkk ;)

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-mwirkk :)


Apr 30 2008, 9:36pm

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Singing [In reply to] Can't Post

Many people have issues with PJ's use of slo-mo, saying he abused it; but tome, slo-mo at the proper places--frames of great emotionla power in the script--are great for slo-mo. (Bormir's death, Arwen's vision, etc.)

I've always thought that the Elvish greeting at Rivendell could be done tastefully yet in a "wondering, innocent" manner; the Elves walking out slo-mo, in a dream-like state, just smiling, and holding out their hands to the travellers, greeting them; and then we see their mouths moving, so we know they are singing; but we don't hear the song, just Howard Shore's music. (kind of like Merry and Pippin greeting Frodo from his sickbed in FOTR< just before we see Bilbo sitting on the bench.) This would also give the viewer of a happier time in Rivnedell, to hark back to GDT's "Golden Age" theme. Golden flowering trees, etc. The Rivendell of FOTR is still and hushed and grand and grim, with a dark/blue palatte, and outdoors, falling autumn leaves.

Oh, and Mwirkk, don't feel sad....Evil I am not forgetting you; just have a limited amount of time to post, a busy schedule, that's all! Often I only can post late at night, today I have off, so it is different....

N.E. Brigand

May 1 2008, 1:50am

Post #5 of 6 (156 views)
But "The Hobbit" is a comedy, not an epic! [In reply to] Can't Post

As squire has rightly observed here.

And the conversation with Smaug is just about the most important scene in the book, and includes some of the best dialogue Tolkien ever wrote.

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May 1 2008, 2:00pm

Post #6 of 6 (160 views)
I dont get a comedy .. [In reply to] Can't Post

per say, but I can see 'comical' in an ironic sense.

and I think tis is where Guillermo will shine - he understands this dark comical underlay very well - sometimes you just have to laugh at the darkness.

Were off to Hobbiton finally!

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(This post was edited by Elven on May 1 2008, 2:02pm)


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