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Is a Great Eagle or Balrog more powerful?

Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30, 2:21am

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Is a Great Eagle or Balrog more powerful? Can't Post

Could an Eagle of Manwe hold its own against a Balrog?

Though Tolkien portrays Balrogs in different ways, they are obviously a very powerful beast, as are the Great Eagles. They each have differing strengths (Eagle is agile and is able to fly and Balrog is more brute power) but which would overpower the other in a head to head battle.

Another thing to consider: Great Eagles are offspring of Manwe and Yavanna, given life by Iluvatar, but Balrogs are, in fact, Fallen Maiar.

***As seen in RoTK, an Eagle could overpower a Fell Beast, but does the same apply to a Balrog?

I think it would be a fair fight. Thoughts?



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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 30, 3:16am

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I'd say the Balrog would win. [In reply to] Can't Post

Also, this should probably have been posted in the Arena forum.

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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30, 3:19am

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Balrog and Eagle [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks! I realized right after that I should've put it on arena, my bad


sador
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Jan 30, 6:23am

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Welcome to TORn! [In reply to] Can't Post

I would say that the Eagles in Tolkien's early writings are different from those in his later period; and the same applies to Balrogs. And were they all the same? Or are you talking of Thorondor and Gothmog?

In short, I think there is no answer to your question - and that Tolkien never really considered this kind of fight. I'm not even sure that when writing LotR or after, he had a clear answer to the question if Balrogs could fly (the early ones clearly couldn't) - which might make some difference.

And just as a matter of curiousity - why did you write "Great Eagles are offspring of Manwe and Yavanna, given life by Iluvatar"? 'Offspring' has a specific connotation, which was used by Tolkien in The Book of Lost Tales but was later discarded. Or do you have in mind a source I am unfamiliar with?


Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30, 2:48pm

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Gothmog and Thorondor [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey! I think it is very interesting how Tolkien's conception of both Eagles and Balrogs changed throughout his works, but to be more specific, yes, I was thinking Gothmog and Thorondor, considering they were both the king/lord of their kind.

Also, whether or not Balrogs can fly is pretty hotly debated, but for this purpose let's just assume they can't.

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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30, 2:55pm

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Sorry if I sound like a total newbie [In reply to] Can't Post

I still have a lot to learn from you guys :)


sevilodorf
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Jan 31, 2:25pm

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Balrog for the win [In reply to] Can't Post

As you said fallen Maiar.

My I wonder has always been are there any of those "fallen" maiar that repent? Are they accepted back?

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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 31, 2:49pm

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Interesting question! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not totally sure on whether Maiar can repent, but I don't think its ever happened (as far as I'm aware).

Here's something on that subject:

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/index.php?threads/the-healing-of-saruman.20511/

(This post was edited by Gothmog_Balrog on Jan 31, 2:50pm)


Darkstone
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Jan 31, 6:27pm

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No problem. [In reply to] Can't Post

We were all newbies once.

Even Tolkien didn't start out knowing all about Middle-earth.Wink

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He had some wings that weren't there.
They weren't there again today.
I wish he would just fly away.





noWizardme
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Feb 6, 7:01pm

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Can the balrog smear itself with crisco? [In reply to] Can't Post

That seems to be the go-to precaution against eagles (https://www.theguardian.com/...atriots-nfl-football )

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MedwedtoBeorn
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Mar 23, 5:14pm

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Balrog [In reply to] Can't Post

Close fight


Eruonen
Valinor


Mar 24, 5:03am

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Balrog enjoys roast eagle [In reply to] Can't Post

 

 
 

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