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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30 2018, 2:21am
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Is a Great Eagle or Balrog more powerful?
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Could an Eagle of Manwe hold its own against a Balrog? Though Tolkien portrays Balrogs in different ways, they are obviously a very powerful beast, as are the Great Eagles. They each have differing strengths (Eagle is agile and is able to fly and Balrog is more brute power) but which would overpower the other in a head to head battle. Another thing to consider: Great Eagles are offspring of Manwe and Yavanna, given life by Iluvatar, but Balrogs are, in fact, Fallen Maiar. ***As seen in RoTK, an Eagle could overpower a Fell Beast, but does the same apply to a Balrog? I think it would be a fair fight. Thoughts? (This is my first post so any tips wold be appreciated!)
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 30 2018, 3:16am
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Also, this should probably have been posted in the Arena forum.
"I may be on the side of the angels, but do not think for one second that I am one of them." - Sherlock
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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30 2018, 3:19am
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Thanks! I realized right after that I should've put it on arena, my bad
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sador
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Jan 30 2018, 6:23am
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I would say that the Eagles in Tolkien's early writings are different from those in his later period; and the same applies to Balrogs. And were they all the same? Or are you talking of Thorondor and Gothmog? In short, I think there is no answer to your question - and that Tolkien never really considered this kind of fight. I'm not even sure that when writing LotR or after, he had a clear answer to the question if Balrogs could fly (the early ones clearly couldn't) - which might make some difference. And just as a matter of curiousity - why did you write "Great Eagles are offspring of Manwe and Yavanna, given life by Iluvatar"? 'Offspring' has a specific connotation, which was used by Tolkien in The Book of Lost Tales but was later discarded. Or do you have in mind a source I am unfamiliar with?
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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30 2018, 2:48pm
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Hey! I think it is very interesting how Tolkien's conception of both Eagles and Balrogs changed throughout his works, but to be more specific, yes, I was thinking Gothmog and Thorondor, considering they were both the king/lord of their kind. Also, whether or not Balrogs can fly is pretty hotly debated, but for this purpose let's just assume they can't. http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TAB6.html
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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 30 2018, 2:55pm
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Sorry if I sound like a total newbie
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I still have a lot to learn from you guys :)
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sevilodorf
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Jan 31 2018, 2:25pm
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As you said fallen Maiar. My I wonder has always been are there any of those "fallen" maiar that repent? Are they accepted back?
Fourth Age Adventures at the Inn of the Burping Troll http://burpingtroll.com Home of TheOneRing.net Best FanFic stories of 2005 and 2006 "The Last Grey Ship" and "Ashes, East Wind, Hope That Rises" by Erin Rua (Found in Mathoms, LOTR Tales Untold)
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Gothmog_Balrog
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Jan 31 2018, 2:49pm
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I'm not totally sure on whether Maiar can repent, but I don't think its ever happened (as far as I'm aware). Here's something on that subject: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/index.php?threads/the-healing-of-saruman.20511/
(This post was edited by Gothmog_Balrog on Jan 31 2018, 2:50pm)
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Darkstone
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Jan 31 2018, 6:27pm
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We were all newbies once. Even Tolkien didn't start out knowing all about Middle-earth.
****************************************** I met a Balrog on the stair. He had some wings that weren't there. They weren't there again today. I wish he would just fly away.
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Eruonen
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