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Aragorn and Anglo Saxon Kings and Elves


Jan 18 2018, 5:41am

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Aragorn and Anglo Saxon Kings and Elves Can't Post


The Medieval in Middle-earth: Aragorn and Exiled Anglo-Saxon Kings

Aragorn and Oswald of Northumbria (604-642): Exiles reclaiming their throne
Aragorn and Alfred the Great (849-899): Meeting up at a stone

*I don't recall the photo of Aragorn in green with a small bow being in the film.....does anyone know where it came from?

Also curious, is the use of "elf" in Anglo Saxon names....why? I know the mythology of both Norse and Anglo-Saxon contained the concept, but for names to involve the use suggests an affinity.

Note - Wiki: Alfred the Great (Old English: Ælfrēd,[a] Ælfrǣd, "elf counsel" or "wise elf";

Elessar is a Quenya word meaning "elf-stone". It referred to the magical Elfstone, and later to "King Elessar"

The name Ælfwine/Elfwine is an actual Old English personal name that means "Elf-friend"


"...Although it is not conclusive, the early Old English evidence suggests corporeal anthropomorphic beings mirroring the
human in-groups which believed in them. This prospect is eminently well paralleled in medieval north-west Europe by the evidence for álfar, the medieval Irish aes síde, the inhabitants of the medieval Welsh Annwn, medieval Latin fatae and Old French fées, Middle English elves, and the Older Scots elvis.72
A more profound corollary is that ælfe should be seen as components in early Anglo-Saxon discourses of group identity."
pg 68

"...Our earliest Old English evidence
matches our early Scandinavian evidence neatly, providing good evidence for a tripartite conceptual system in which members of the in-group were aligned on the one hand with ælfe and pagan gods, against monsters on the other. Ælfe and monsters can be situated in early Anglo-Saxon world-views as important components in constructing group identity by exclusive means at a critical stage of the development of English ethnicity." pg 74


Jan 18 2018, 5:43am

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Where is this photo from? [In reply to] Can't Post


My best guess would be on the hunt for Merry and Pippin but I don't specifically recall it.

(This post was edited by Eruonen on Jan 18 2018, 5:44am)

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Jan 18 2018, 6:16am

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I wonder [In reply to] Can't Post

if it was an unused scene from his first section of travel with the hobbits. We see him carry in a deer to camp in the Midgewater Marshes. Maybe this was originally part of that sequence?


Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.


Jan 18 2018, 5:32pm

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Landwights....another source for Tolkien [In reply to] Can't Post


"The Anglo-Saxons recognised many different types of landwight and gave them names such as aelf, thyrs, eoten, puca, scucca, dwearg and maere (with any number of variant spellings). But this is in itself confusing as aelf – which gives us the modern word 'elf' – did not simply denote diminutive hominids but was also a collective term, in the same way as landwight. But aelf and landwight did not denote the same 'collection' of entities."

"However in the mind of an Anglo-Saxon the word aelf included entities which are alien to modern concepts of fairy. Aelf included the os, regen and god. All these are collective names for deities – although we should be thinking more of local spirits of place rather than the universal deities of Classical and Christian worldviews. Although, yes the Old English word god was 'hijacked' – with a considerable shift of meaning – to be the name of the Christian God. By extension 'god' became the collective name for male deities – although in Old English the word os has exactly this sense, while god did not!'

"Again, at the risk of over-simplification, if aelf denotes the 'goodies', then landwights denotes the 'baddies'. "

(This post was edited by Eruonen on Jan 18 2018, 5:38pm)

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Jan 21 2018, 10:27pm

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Did you know that Alfred was called Alfred because he wasn't expected to be King [In reply to] Can't Post

And all of his brothers where called Athel something because they where all elder and therefore princes and a Saxon name with Athel meant a prince. How much his father knew, eh?


Jan 21 2018, 11:08pm

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I knew he was initially sent out to be the "brains of the family" and not a warrior [In reply to] Can't Post

but he eventually found his feet as a leader after some difficult early losses and made a huge impact on English culture. One of the more enlightened kings.

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Jan 24 2018, 10:36pm

Post #7 of 8 (2087 views)
Shame about the cakes, however! [In reply to] Can't Post

All right, he probably didn't burn the cakes despite his fame for that. But one thing was true about him, he might have been defeater of the Vikings and winner of the throne of Wessex, but he couldn't actually sit on it. He had a slight bottom problem with piles later on in life!


Jan 25 2018, 2:04am

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He probably sat on a "ring" seat with a hole in the middle! [In reply to] Can't Post

The Royal Donut Throne!


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