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Questions about the Host of Valinor in the War of Wrath.

Victariongreyjoy
Rivendell


Jan 4, 2:19am

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Questions about the Host of Valinor in the War of Wrath. Can't Post

It was stated in the books that Enw were the commander of the host against Morgoth. The foot soldiers were the Vanyar. My question is: Did other Maiar participate in the struggle? Ilmar, Uinen, Tilion, Oss or others? Did the Maia had lesser spritis that were foot soldiers?


Elthir
Grey Havens

Jan 6, 6:34pm

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if I recall correctly... [In reply to] Can't Post

... (that's if) when Tolkien imagined that the Valar had had children, these (some?) Valarin spring-off/offspring fought in the Wrathy War...

... but JRRT later dropped that idea (Valar having children)...

... and then something something...

... again I can't recall exactly, going on memory, but I think some have wondered if the "host of the Valar" for example, necessarily includes the Valar themselves, while some say at least some of the Maiar, for instance, must have helped, considering the damage to Beleriand and so on.

Anyway, Tolkien made an (arguably) cursory correction to a late section of QS concerning the forces of the War of Wrath, altering...


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"the sons of the Gods were young and fair and terrible"> "the host of the Gods were arrayed in forms of Valinor"


Whatever that means Smile

[constructed Silmarillion: "... for the host of the Valar were arrayed in forms young and fair and terrible, and the mountains rang beneath their feet."]

Eonwe seems to be present in Beleriand anyway, in my opinion.

Or if I misremembered (or forgot something important), never mind Smile


(This post was edited by Elthir on Jan 6, 6:48pm)


CMackintosh
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Jan 11, 8:25am

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Tilion and Arien were busy with their jobs, minding the light-givers. Osse would've been kept busy keeping the seas calm. Tolkien never mentioned any of the Maiar in Tulkas' company.


Eldorion
Gondor


Jan 24, 5:59am

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Well, Thorondor definitely participated in the War of Wrath, but maybe he was a Maia. I think it's more likely than not.

In the 1977 Silmarillion the origin of the Ents and the Eagles is stated to be "the thought of Yavanna ... summon[ing] spirits from afar" to dwell within certain plants and animals. These sorts of vaguely defined spirits are some of the things that were generally subsumed into the class of Maiar when that was introduced in the 1950s (along with, as Elthir mentions, the Children of the Valar). When Tolkien was reworking the Annals of Valinor into the Annals of Aman during this time period, he left a marginal note stating that Manw sent "Maia spirits in Eagle form" to Middle-earth to watch over Morgoth (HoMe X, Annals of Aman, note appended to 169).

Tolkien later returned to the idea that the initial generation of Eagles were Maiar in Myths Transformed, Text VIII (also found in HoMe X), though he notes that later generations of the Eagles were probably Incarnates with far. Thorondor (called Sorontar in this text) was part of that initial generation, though, and is specifically mentioned as a potential Maia. While ideas found in Myths Transformed must be taken with a grain of salt since Tolkien played around with many different ideas in those essays, not all of which he adopted, I think that Thorondor being a Maia is the explanation that best fits the available evidence.

 
 

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