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Following Bilbo and Frodo’s travels

Bracegirdle
Valinor


Dec 31 2017, 6:41pm

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Following Bilbo and Frodo’s travels Can't Post

I believe that Tolkien did a superb job of linking The Hobbit with The Lord of the Rings, but absolute perfection is difficult to achieve.

Here I have listed just a few of the dissimilarities I have noticed between Bilbo and Frodo’s journeys. I’m sure there may be more? *Please list any you might find*

Hobbit: The Party was Unexpected.
LOTR: The Party was Long-expected

H: Bilbo left in the morning with a half-finished 2nd breakfast.
L: Frodo left in the evening after a finished supper.

H: Bilbo left without a walking stick or handkerchief.
L: Frodo left with a walking stick (& likely several handkerchiefs).

H: Bilbo started out on ponyback.
L: Frodo started out on foot.

H: Bilbo was captured by three trolls.
L: Frodo was speared by a single orc-chieftain.

H: Bilbo spent two weeks in Rivendell.
L: Frodo spent two months in Rivendell.

H: Bilbo’s first orc-encounter was high up in the Misty Mts.
L: Frodo’s first orc-encounter was low down under the Misty Mts.

H: Bilbo floated down a river on a barrel.
L: Frodo floated down a river in a boat.

H: Bilbo’s return home was with the Ring, and he had 10 fingers.
L: Frodo’s return home was without the Ring, and he had 9 fingers.

H: Bilbo returned to an auction. (The free-enterprise system.)
L: Frodo returned to a locked gate and ”Rules”. (A totalitarian state.)

‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'

Gandalf to Denethor




CuriousG
Half-elven


Dec 31 2017, 7:32pm

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Nice list, Brace [In reply to] Can't Post

I especially liked your point about the contrasts in their return:


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H: Bilbo returned to an auction. (The free-enterprise system.)
L: Frodo returned to a locked gate and ”Rules”. (A totalitarian state.)


Both came home to find they'd lost Bag End to greedy relatives but under completely different circumstances. Bilbo's home appeared to be taken from him legally, while the Shire was oppressed and lawless (and least its own laws were meaningless) when Frodo came home.

One thing worth adding:

H: Bilbo left and returned with Gandalf but had no hobbits with him.
L: Frodo left and returned with the same 3 hobbits but without Gandalf, contrary to his own expectations.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Dec 31 2017, 7:36pm

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Frodo too! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Both came home to find they'd lost Bag End to greedy relatives but under completely different circumstances. Bilbo's home appeared to be taken from him legally, while the Shire was oppressed and lawless (and least its own laws were meaningless) when Frodo came home.


Frodo had actually sold Bag End to the Sackville-Bagginses before he departed from the Shire.

"I may be on the side of the angels, but do not think for one second that I am one of them." - Sherlock


Bracegirdle
Valinor


Jan 1, 3:17am

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Thanks CuriousG & HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL! [In reply to] Can't Post


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H: Bilbo left and returned with Gandalf but had no hobbits with him.
L: Frodo left and returned with the same 3 hobbits but without Gandalf, contrary to his own expectations.


A New Year's backarapper for you!

But to make my official list I would twist your words thus: *BG being soo picky Shocked*
A mighty fine catch though! Smile

H: Bilbo left and returned with Gandalf and no hobbits.
L: Frodo left and returned without Gandalf but with three hobbits.

‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'

Gandalf to Denethor




sador
Half-elven


Jan 1, 3:41am

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The one I consider the most important: [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo called his memoir "There and back again"
The Lord of the Rings ends with "Well, I'm back" - but the speaker is not Frodo, who will not return.


There are several more, minor ones. Tolkien clearly intended Frodo's journey to mirror Bilbo's enough for the reader to compare and contrast between them, but still to be significantly different in every single point.

Thank you, Bracegirdle, and a Happy New Year!


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 1, 2:04pm

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These are brilliant! :D Do these count... [In reply to] Can't Post

H: Gollum lost the Ring after being tricked by Bilbo
L: Frodo lost the Ring after being tricked by Gollum (in Shelob's lair)

H: From the beginning, Gandalf meant to travel with Bilbo and the Company until he left for his meeting in the South
L: From the beginning, Gandalf meant to travel with Frodo and Sam until the end, but was delayed in the South


This is fun! :) Great idea, Bracegirdle!



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CuriousG
Half-elven


Jan 1, 6:00pm

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Those are both excellent, Gramma! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Bracegirdle
Valinor


Jan 2, 3:10am

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Agreed sador [In reply to] Can't Post


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There are several more, minor ones. Tolkien clearly intended Frodo's journey to mirror Bilbo's enough for the reader to compare and contrast between them, but still to be significantly different in every single point.

I started this out as somewhat of a satire or irony, or 'contrasts', just for fun, but it turned into mostly, sort of faux-truisms (with a couple stretches). As you say it seems that Tolkien used many linkages reflecting one journey with the other.

Happy New Year back attcha! Smile

‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'

Gandalf to Denethor




Bracegirdle
Valinor


Jan 2, 3:18am

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Absolutely gramma - [In reply to] Can't Post


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H: Gollum lost the Ring after being tricked by Bilbo
L: Frodo lost the Ring after being tricked by Gollum (in Shelob's lair)

H: From the beginning, Gandalf meant to travel with Bilbo and the Company until he left for his meeting in the South
L: From the beginning, Gandalf meant to travel with Frodo and Sam until the end, but was delayed in the South

Good additions fer sure - & Happy New Year Heart

‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'

Gandalf to Denethor




Loresilme
Valinor


Jan 2, 2:17pm

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Would this count: [In reply to] Can't Post

Hobbit: Bilbo is rendered unconscious by a falling stone.
LOTR: Frodo is rendered unconscious by a sting from Shelob.


Bracegirdle
Valinor


Jan 2, 8:45pm

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Good one Loresilme [In reply to] Can't Post

Certainly a good addition to our (dis)similarities list. That's "dis" as in different, not Dís the dwarf.

That brings to mind another game we might play.
Let's list all the female Dwarf women.

Ok, I'll start with Dís. Laugh

‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'

Gandalf to Denethor




CuriousG
Half-elven


Jan 2, 10:34pm

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Spiders [In reply to] Can't Post

H: Bilbo kills spiders to rescue his friends.
L: Frodo appears killed by a spider and needs to be rescued by a friend.

And in both cases, Sting did the spider-stinging.

 
 

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