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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Nov 4 2017, 1:40am
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Though, these days, this really shouldn't surprise me.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Nov 4 2017, 3:15am
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So this mean Amazon can't reboot LOTR?
More likely the report is wrong and meant Middle-earth Enterprises, not the Tolkien Estate.
"I may be on the side of the angels, but do not think for one second that I am one of them." - Sherlock
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Nov 4 2017, 4:00am
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From the Middle-earth Enterprises website:
Middle-earth Enterprises owns exclusive worldwide rights to motion picture, merchandising, stage and other rights in certain literary works of J.R.R. Tolkien including The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. We have produced and licensed films, stage productions and merchandise based on these Tolkien works for more than thirty-five years.
Link: http://www.middleearth.com/#about
This makes me wonder about the veracity of the Variety piece.
"I may be on the side of the angels, but do not think for one second that I am one of them." - Sherlock
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Lindele
Gondor
Nov 4 2017, 4:20am
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My first thought wasn’t that Variety was wrong about the estate
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But wrong about ‘The Lord of the Rings’ being the title. People often use LOTR when referencing ‘Middle-earth.’
This is just as likely/unlikely as them getting it wrong about the estate, but perhaps it is just wishful thinking on my part. I’d much rather see some new material than a LOTR reboot.
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Lindele
Gondor
Nov 4 2017, 4:25am
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But you never know. I’m sure you’re right.
But you never know.
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Ent Wife
The Shire
Nov 4 2017, 4:30am
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I noticed someone mentioned that in the Variety comments section.
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It will be interesting to see if there's any subsequent follow-up on this story.
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jlj93byu
Rivendell
Nov 4 2017, 4:30am
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I am amazed at the coincidental timing of this announcement. Of course, nothing is official, but the mere potential of more Middle-earth is exciting.
So why do I say the timing is amazing? Just moments before I saw this article, I had been watching the appendices on Battle of the Five Armies, and I had just watched "A Last Desperate Stand," which features the last day Ian McKellan portrayed Gandalf, as well as Orlando Bloom as Legolas and Evangeline Lilly as Tauriel. Seeing all these actors wrap up and leave their characters behind really made me emotional, and had me longing for more Middle-earth. Of course, this announcement means if anything happens, it will likely be aesthetically much different from Peter Jackson's Middle-earth, but any chance to see more stories from Tolkien's rich legendarium is most welcome.
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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens
Nov 4 2017, 5:59am
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I've been hoping for something like this for years! I never imagined we'd be getting it so soon though. I can't wait to see a fresh take on the series! After finally listening to the radio drama last year (and going through it again a few weeks ago), I've really come to appreciate having multiple (complete) adaptions. And I want more.
But if they don't include Tom Bombadil...
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Silverlode
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Nov 4 2017, 6:01am
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I don't think they can make any sort of LOTR series without getting them involved unless their rights are expiring. So whoever wrote this story either doesn't know the difference between M-e Enterprises and the Estate (entirely possible, there's a reason we dubbed entertainment journalists "neekerbreekers") or got bad information.
I'm taking this with a whole shakerful of salt until more credible info comes to light.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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cats16
Half-elven
Nov 4 2017, 7:20am
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The details in the article probably came from Amazon, which makes sense why we're not getting precise language about what's going on. I'm going to sit tight and wait to hear more concrete news before getting too fussed up, knowing firsthand how wobbly these things can be behind closed doors.
Still, cool news I didn't expect to read this evening. No one at work had heard any whispers of this.
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Victariongreyjoy
Lorien
Nov 4 2017, 10:22am
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Young strider prequel, Angmar vs Arnor, Oath of Eorl?
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What about making adaptations of these things than rebooting PJ LOTR, which is still today considered as a masterpiece? And The Hobbit trilogy is farily still new.
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Victariongreyjoy
Lorien
Nov 4 2017, 11:08am
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What about the fall of Numenor and the War of the Last Alliance?
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Nov 4 2017, 12:25pm
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It could be the Sil or one of the other books like The Children of Hurin
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Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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squire
Half-elven
Nov 4 2017, 12:29pm
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"a series based on the classic fantasy novels and their assortment of hobbits, wizards, and warriors"
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In commenting on this story, it's important to use the actual Variety story, not the secondary reporting from comicbook.com, or the tertiary commentary of blogs, forums, etc. that will echo and possibly further distort the original Nov. 3 story by Daniel Holloway.
One thing to note is that this probe by Amazon reflects an already-announced redirection of their TV production efforts "away from niche, naturalistic series such as 'Transparent' and 'Mozart in the Jungle' and toward large-scale genre programming with potential for broad international appeal." This suggests that the proposed production will be almost entirely based on audience expectations coming from the existing Jackson films, rather than Tolkien's books.
Another interesting angle from the Variety report is that the proposal is very vague about how "The Lord of the Rings" actually relates to the series. As per my header, the series is "based on" the book's "assortment of hobbits, wizards, and warriors". This may be Holloway's own shorthand for Tolkien's characters, but it reads to me like a very (again) generic recasting of Tolkien into a standard "fantasy" mix based on games, art, and other stories and series that have been, at best, inspired by Tolkien rather than actually based on, or adapted from, The Lord of the Rings. Most specifically, this feels like someone thinking how to compete with, or at least reproduce the success of, Game of Thrones on its own territory.
As so many have already said, it's too early to do more than speculate on the news report's wording, including the almost certain confusion between the Tolkien Estate and Zaentz's Middle-earth Enterprises organization. (On the other hand, note Holloway's mention of the actual Tolkien Estate's settlement with Warner Brothers over licensing rights and fees, which suggests at least some familiarity with the ins and outs of Tolkien's posthumous media empire!) But I wonder if this doesn't feel like, not a 'reboot' of The Lord of the Rings in the closely adapted format of the New Line movies, but a much looser TV series featuring the characters, names, places and events of the War of the Ring in, essentially, a new story or stories revolving around the periphery of Tolkien's actual plot? More sex, more fighting, more intrigue, more up to date 21st century characterizations? Kind of like a LotR with all Tauriel, all the time?
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Nov 4 2017, 12:29pm
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This could be good or it could be very bad.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Nov 4 2017, 12:34pm
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gives me some hope. I am certain that there are discussions and that they are relatively advanced or Variety would not have went with the story, But will they pan out? Only time will tell.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Nov 4 2017, 12:46pm
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You certainly know how to rain on a guys parade.
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Victariongreyjoy
Lorien
Nov 4 2017, 1:08pm
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I won't mind they do something with The Hobbit. Also, I want to see a adaptation of Angmar and Arnor.
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