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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 22 2017, 7:30pm

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Sort of Tolkien-related: "Dotard" was the most googled word yesterday. Can't Post

I figure we all know what it means. After all, it shows up 5 times in LotR: twice in relation to Theoden and three times in relation to Denethor.

‘Dotard! What is the house of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs?'

‘Folly?’ said Gandalf. ‘Nay, my lord, when you are a dotard you will die. You can use even your grief as a cloak.'

‘My son, your father is old but not yet dotard. I can see and hear, as was my wont; and little of what you have half said or left unsaid is now hidden from me. I know the answer to many riddles. Alas, alas for Boromir!’

‘But I say to thee, Gandalf Mithrandir, I will not be thy tool! I am Steward of the House of Anárion. I will not step down to be the dotard chamberlain of an upstart. Even were his claim proved to me, still he comes but of the line of Isildur. I will not bow to such a one, last of a ragged house long bereft of lordship and dignity.’

And the reprise: ‘Think you that Wormtongue had poison only for Théoden’s ears? Dotard! What is the house of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor among their dogs? Have you not heard those words before?'

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Ataahua
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Sep 22 2017, 7:40pm

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I was surprised there was a news story about this word. [In reply to] Can't Post

Sure it's not in high use, but I wouldn't have thought 'dotard' was so unknown that it'd generate a spike in Google searches.

Although I do remember 'scintilla', from one of the Presidents Bush (from memory), also sparked a search for it's meaning - including from me. So what do I know? Tongue

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Sep 22 2017, 8:09pm

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Yet further proof… [In reply to] Can't Post

... that the world is divided between those who read Tolkien and those who do not. Tongue

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N.E. Brigand
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Sep 22 2017, 9:37pm

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I was just popping in to note this. [In reply to] Can't Post

How many other words do Tolkien readers know better than others, I wonder.

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Sep 23 2017, 12:53am

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They'll be calling each other "small rag-tag" or "dunghill rat" next./ [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Sep 23 2017, 2:49pm

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Sep 23 2017, 5:12pm

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First thing I thought when I heard them struggle with "dotard" [In reply to] Can't Post

Those people obviously haven't read The Lord of the Rings!



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Bracegirdle
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Sep 23 2017, 5:18pm

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'Flammifer' - maybe [In reply to] Can't Post


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Sep 23 2017, 7:50pm

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Ethel Duath
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Sep 23 2017, 8:57pm

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Sep 23 2017, 9:00pm

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I vote for the good old "Mods Up" :) [In reply to] Can't Post

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Ethel Duath
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Sep 23 2017, 9:05pm

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I remembered the Theoden instances [In reply to] Can't Post

but forgot about the Denethor. Interesting that it was used by others in reference to Theoden and twice as an attack, but used by Denethor himself, in his own defense. Another interesting contrast between the two it might be fun to think about . . .



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Sep 23 2017, 9:09pm

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Sep 23 2017, 10:21pm

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In any case, I am sure they were "flummoxed" and "bebothered" // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Sep 24 2017, 11:54pm

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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 25 2017, 7:02pm

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Yes, please. I intended this to be about language [In reply to] Can't Post

and the media being all agog about the "new word".

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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 25 2017, 7:05pm

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Mods up // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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GNU Terry Pratchett
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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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"A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories

leleni at hotmail dot com
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 25 2017, 10:24pm

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Dwimmerlaik? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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GNU Terry Pratchett
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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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"A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories

leleni at hotmail dot com
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 25 2017, 10:26pm

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Brigand ? ;-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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GNU Terry Pratchett
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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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leleni at hotmail dot com
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 25 2017, 10:29pm

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I learned that one from Odgen Nash [In reply to] Can't Post

"I know that every name
Has a flammifer of fame
And I'm sure they all did something
But I can't think what they did."

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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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"A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories

leleni at hotmail dot com
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 25 2017, 10:58pm

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Ha! Missed that one! [In reply to] Can't Post

As you probably know, I'm an Ogden fan, but that one got by me somehow.BlushSmile



dernwyn
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Sep 25 2017, 11:00pm

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Niggard. [In reply to] Can't Post

A perfectly sound word, unfortunately sounding too much akin to an undesirable one.


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Ethel Duath
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Sep 25 2017, 11:00pm

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Doughty? Ah, and Silmarillion readers: leagured [In reply to] Can't Post

Be it ever so "rumbled." Wink



Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 26 2017, 4:28pm

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Now that I think about it [In reply to] Can't Post

it might have been "oriflamme of fame". I was typing from memory, and can't find that poem online.

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GNU Terry Pratchett
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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories

leleni at hotmail dot com
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 26 2017, 4:29pm

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Oh, yes. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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GNU Terry Pratchett
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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories

leleni at hotmail dot com
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