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Puzzlewood - it inspired Tolkien, but which forest?

hatster
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Aug 6 2017, 1:20pm

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Love these pictures, but I think the caption that mentions Tolkien has it all wrong. I see them and think Tom Bombadil. What do you think?
http://www.kuriositas.com/...inspiration-for.html

Sorry if this has been discussed many times already...I've not been inthese parts for a while

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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 6 2017, 2:02pm

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Love these pictures, but I think the caption that mentions Tolkien has it all wrong. I see them and think Tom Bombadil. What do you think?


I'm not sure how you mean 'wrong'. A caption does specifically mention the Old Forest east of Buckland, where Tom Bombadil dwelt with his Goldberry:



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Tolkien was a regular visitor to the Forest of Dean and it was inevitable that he would come across Puzzlewood in all its earthy glory. You can almost picture him, walking through the wood with ideas racing through his head about Fangorn, Old Forest, Mirkwood and Lothlórien.


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hatster
Rohan


Aug 6 2017, 2:18pm

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Lol you are quite right.. I saw the mentions of entwood and the elvin woods but somehow missed the old forest reference. I keep looking for signs of barrow wights in the photos

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Silverlode
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Aug 6 2017, 8:06pm

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Nice to see you around these parts again. Don't be a stranger!

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Look at last on meadows green
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squire
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Aug 6 2017, 8:41pm

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Although I can believe that Tolkien, in his lifetime, may have visited this place (he did do archaeological consulting in the 1920s for an excavation at nearby Lydney Park), I'm not convinced this website has all its ducks lined up, Tolkien-wise.

Duh, it's even in a shire. Everything in England is in a shire.

Lothlorien and Fangorn are written as complete opposites in their emotional and physical aspects as woods. One forest is unlikely to have "inspired" both of them. Mirkwood is specifically said not to be like Fangorn, as well. Tolkien has recorded his love of trees and forests dating from his childhood in the north of England, long before he could have seen this landscape. Also, both Mirkwood and Lorien draw as much from earlier 'rough drafts' of mystery woods in The Silmarillion, as they do from any direct experience.

But God forbid this website should mention the Sil, since most normal Tolkien fans have never read that book or seen the film. As usual, in the press, and the publicity sites like this one for dozens of Tolkien-themed locations around the UK, it's nothing but "Bilbo, Frodo, and Gandalf" mixed with "Tolkien is said/thought/known to have loved/visited/frequented this place."

The place itself is actually quite wonderful in its own right. I love that the old owner put down flagged walkways that now seem as ancient and overgrown as the reputed pre-Roman mines. From the photos, I'd give Puzzlewood nominal points for, maybe, inspiring Fangorn, if not the Old Forest.

It's great to see you back, hatster! Hope you'll keep dropping by with your unique insights and contributions.



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grammaboodawg
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Aug 7 2017, 1:56am

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I hope these days find you having loads of fun and enjoying good health :D

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geordie
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Aug 8 2017, 4:23pm

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- but this is the 'it is thought' school of Tolkien biography which local tourist agencies go in for. There's no evidence that Tolkien was 'a regular visitor' to the Forest of Dean.

There's no evidence to show that he visited the archaeological dig at Lydney Park, either - though there is some documented evidence that he most probably did not; the archaeologists who carried out the dig do not include him in the list of people who helped out on site. Tolkien did write a piece on the name Nodens, but there was no need for his to visit the actual site for that.
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squire
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Aug 8 2017, 5:27pm

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It had occurred to me that writing the Nodens paper did not require a site visit. On the other hand a single visit out of courtesy or curiosity would not rate a mention as co-worker in the published paper.

Without buying into the 'regular visitor' stuff, I would be curious if there is any way to verify or deny even a single Tolkien visit to the Forest of Dean in the first half of his life, before writing the LotR. Was it a popular tourism spot in the 1910s-30s? Did Tolkien travel the UK for academic work or vacations and get down to that district? (I would at least try consulting the fabulous Hammond & Scull Chronology, but just now I don't have the time!)



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Aug 8 2017, 5:37pm

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