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Will we see PJ making any more Middle Earth movies?

emre43
Lorien

Jul 29 2017, 8:52pm

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Will we see PJ making any more Middle Earth movies? Can't Post

He has material in the Appendices of LOTR, such as the story of Scatha the Worm, Eorl, Battle f the Greenfields, etc.

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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 29 2017, 9:35pm

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I think that the odds of Jackson directing any more Middle-earth movies are slim; there might be a better chance that he might be involved as a producer and/or writer. There does not seem to be any movement at present on attempting any more such films.

Much of the material you cite might be too thin to adapt as one or more movies, though there is some potential in other tales in the Appendices. We have the "Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" to draw from; the battles in Lórien, Mirkwood and Dale during the War of the Ring; the Fall of Arthedain (culminating in the Fall of Angmar); and so on. However, some of the most interesting material about the Second Age is found in The Silmarillion and is therefore unavailable to filmmakers at this time.

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QuiteShocked
The Shire


Jul 29 2017, 10:29pm

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I hope not [In reply to] Can't Post

his Hobbit really turned out horrible.


emre43
Lorien

Jul 29 2017, 10:33pm

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I agree.

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squire
Half-elven


Jul 29 2017, 11:37pm

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Smile when you say "too thin to adapt as one or more movies", pardner... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's the standard of what an "adaptation" is that's been stretched kind of thin lately, as far as I can see.

But I agree that Jackson himself seems unlikely to want to direct any such films.

I remain interested in why Hollywood thinks there's legs in a Tolkien biopic. And whether such a biopic can try to show, as imagined scenes in the future writer's head, certain vignettes from a certain, um, book. Or, knowing their audience, will they reach forward to other scenes, from LotR and The Hobbit, that also seem to draw some of their inspiration from Tolkien's Great War experiences?



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wizzardly
Rohan


Jul 30 2017, 1:24pm

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I seriously doubt it... [In reply to] Can't Post

Thankfully. Even though his Hobbit did end up making lots of money, which I attribute mostly to the success of the former trilogy, it is obvious to me that he is no longer interested in Middle-earth. I believe he used the Hobbit firstly as a way to show off and try to sell his super high frame rate technology that turned out to be a total and complete flop. Even his biggest supporters weren't with him on that one. And secondly, an easy cash grab. No matter how bad it turned out, it was almost guaranteed to make a ton of money, which it did. No, I believe PJ will be focusing his attention on other projects more suitable to his particular talents.

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grammaboodawg
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Jul 30 2017, 2:06pm

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I would say it's very possible... according to Jackson [In reply to] Can't Post

I don’t see anything being done with stories in The Silmarillion; but those LotR Appendices are ripe with possibilities, imho.

Based on what happened as Jackson fought for and approached the filming of The Hobbit, I believe Middle-earth is in his heart. For years, he went through so much to clear the legal, film company, and logistical hurdles to "Make The Hobbit Happen." Then he tried to pass the baton to Guillermo del Toro to direct The Hobbit films when fate stepped in and Jackson ended up doing them himself.

Whether he directs future Middle-earth films himself or his people do (possibly Andy Serkis or others involved with past projects), I don't think Peter Jackson is done with Tolkien's works. According to this December 16, 2014 Variety article: Peter Jackson on the End of His Middle Earth Odyssey... he's not ruling it out.


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“If I had to start tomorrow, I would say no, because I definitely would appreciate a break to clear my head and get my little New Zealand stories done, which is where my passion and my heart is heading now,” the director says. “But ask me in two or three years, and I’d probably say yes. It would be hard to see another filmmaker go into this world, because I certainly have an emotional ownership of it.”



I am counting on this... that Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens' belief in Tolkien's world keeps that flame alive. Who knows... working with their elders, maybe younglings Billy and Katie Jackson will come into their own and surprise us all.
Never say never :)


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Darkstone
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Jul 31 2017, 1:58pm

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I could see him wanting to remake LOTR with more money or The Hobbit with more time at some point in the future.

As for making movies out of trivia, one only need to look at the success of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (2016) to realize you could probably make a multi-billion dollar franchise out of just the words "the crowns of seven kings, and the rods of the Five Wizards" as long as you put the name "JRR Tolkien" in the title.

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ange1e4e5
Rohan

Aug 23 2017, 10:02pm

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Perhaps they should change personnel. [In reply to] Can't Post

And Christopher Tolkien would actually allow an adaptation with his overwatch.

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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 23 2017, 11:10pm

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Perhaps they should change personnel. And Christopher Tolkien would actually allow an adaptation with his overwatch.


I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't see Christopher Tolkien having a change of heart. The best bets for the immediate future are remakes or spin-offs deriving from The Hobbit and/or The Lord of the Rings.

Then there are those who do not wish for any more Middle-earth movies or television series adaptations.

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ange1e4e5
Rohan

Aug 24 2017, 12:16am

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squire
Half-elven


Aug 24 2017, 2:35am

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At 92 years of age, he can afford to make a mistake [In reply to] Can't Post

I believe he has arranged for a legal trust to continue his legacy of protecting his father's works from further commercialization, after his passing. The trustees will not be in a position to change the Estate's policy, as the policy itself will be the thing they are entrusted to continue.



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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Aug 24 2017, 3:38am

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I believe he has arranged for a legal trust to continue his legacy of protecting his father's works from further commercialization, after his passing. The trustees will not be in a position to change the Estate's policy, as the policy itself will be the thing they are entrusted to continue.


If Christopher Tolkien is the sole literary executor for the remaining literary works of J.R.R. Tolkien, does that mean that, after he passes, the rights to those works are fully controlled by the legal trust he set up and will not be under the control of the remaining executors of the Estate proper?

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cats16
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Aug 24 2017, 3:58am

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Christopher being a copyright holder of the subsequent works adds a layer of protection to the rights of those works. Rather than their copyright expiration dates being 70 years after his father's death, those rights would have a lifespan of 70 years after Christopher's death.

In other words, they'd have to sell the rights to a studio, because I don't see many of us being alive to see the day that the Silm falls into public domain!

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Darkstone
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Aug 24 2017, 4:11am

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That 70 year expiration date is probably going to be extended if Disney has anything to say about it.

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ange1e4e5
Rohan

Aug 25 2017, 6:39pm

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I'm not saying he should give up the rights, [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm suggesting that the Tolkien estate approves whatever changes are made by a production team/screenwriters.

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Otaku-sempai
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Aug 25 2017, 7:00pm

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Tolkien and the Public Domain [In reply to] Can't Post


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Christopher being a copyright holder of the subsequent works adds a layer of protection to the rights of those works. Rather than their copyright expiration dates being 70 years after his father's death, those rights would have a lifespan of 70 years after Christopher's death.

In other words, they'd have to sell the rights to a studio, because I don't see many of us being alive to see the day that the Silm falls into public domain!


Yes, though that still leaves a number of previously published works that will enter public domain earlier. There are The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, of course, but also:
- "Leaf by Niggle" (1945)
- "The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun" (1945)
- "Farmer Giles of Ham" (1949)
- The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son (1953)
- The Adventures of Tom Bombadil (1962)
- Tree and Leaf (1964)
- The Road Goes Ever On (with Donald Swann; 1967)
- "Smith of Wootton Major" (1967)
- Bilbo's Last Song (published posthumously; 1974)

And there are various works of poetry, academic works, etc. I don't see a lot of fodder for movies in the above list, though I suppose that The Adventures of Tom Bombadil could be turned into a Fantasia-style anthology film.

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squire
Half-elven


Aug 25 2017, 8:30pm

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'Leaf by Niggle' would be (could be) a wonderful movie [In reply to] Can't Post

It begs to be made as a retro-European style art film, to evoke the period it was written in. Its theme is large, and there is enough incident and character to expand into a feature without losing the message and the style.

I admit we're not talking blockbuster scale summer movie, to be sure. And of course it's not set in Middle-earth, but rather a kind of mock-Owellian alternate postwar England.

I often wish the New Line films had not turned "Tolkien = Big Blasting Epic FILM TRILOGY" into a seemingly immutable rule of fan and studio perceptions about this writer's quirky and smaller-scale works of art.



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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Aug 25 2017, 10:34pm

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Smaller films. [In reply to] Can't Post


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It begs to be made as a retro-European style art film, to evoke the period it was written in. Its theme is large, and there is enough incident and character to expand into a feature without losing the message and the style.


Sure, I'll give you that one. Similarly, I could see Farmer Giles of Ham as a satirical farce. And Smith of Wootton Major could be a lovely family film.

"Who I am is where I stand. Where I stand is where I fall.” -- The Doctor

 
 

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