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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 25 2017, 8:52pm

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April Fools Edtion

Name five characters from The Lord of the Rings known as fools, jokers, pranksters or general merry-makers (even if by accident).

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes


squire
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Mar 25 2017, 10:36pm

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  1. Sauron (‘So the forces that he has long been preparing he is now setting in motion, sooner than he intended. Wise fool.’)
  2. Pippin (‘Fool of a Took!’ he growled. ‘This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party.’)
  3. Frodo (It was now Frodo’s turn to feel pleased with himself. He capered about on the table; and … leaped in the air.)
  4. Gorbag (‘You fool,’ snarled Shagrat. ‘You’ve been talking very clever, but there’s a lot you don’t know, though most other folk do.’)
  5. Quickbeam (He laughed if the sun came out from behind a cloud, he laughed if they came upon a stream or spring…; he laughed sometimes at some sound or whisper in the trees.)




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Eruonen
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Mar 25 2017, 11:28pm

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CuriousG
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Mar 26 2017, 12:10am

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Hamfast Gamgee
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Mar 26 2017, 12:23am

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Or how about the entire fellowship [In reply to] Can't Post

Minus Gandalf of course. 'Fly you fools,' at Moria!


Otaku-sempai
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Mar 26 2017, 12:57am

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I don't think I can accept at least one of those responses (though interesting reasoning!). Three of those answers are on my personal list; but I am open to ones I haven't considered. Feel free to modify your response.

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes

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squire
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Mar 26 2017, 1:40am

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One of the themes we're seeing in this new RR activity is that the quizmasters tend to already have the answer(s) in their heads, assume incorrectly that their minds are readable, and so fail to pose the questions as clearly as they might.

It reminds me of a fine round robin we once had on the question "Who is the first individual to actually speak in The Lord of the Rings and where does this occur?"



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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 26 2017, 1:46am

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...I probably should have left 'merry-maker' off of my question, but it is what it is!

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes


squire
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Mar 26 2017, 2:07am

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"Fool" also has multiple meanings as Tolkien uses it [In reply to] Can't Post

And only one of those meanings is in the same amusing category as joker or prankster.



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sador
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Mar 26 2017, 6:21am

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You probably counted Radagast (as reported by Gandalf in the Council of Elrond); although some might object he only appears off-stage, and is not a character.

The Witch-king called Gandalf "Old fool"; and Denethor named him "the grey fool" - to which Pippin objected (both in The Siege of Gondor: Denethor repeated the taunt before burning on his pyre, and then it went uncallanged)..

Gandalf himself told Saruman he had become a fool, although earlier in the conversation, Saruman asserted he was not (The Voice of Saruman).
However, Grishnakh also called Saruman a fool - and a dirty treacherous one.

Gandalf also called Butterbur "fool", preceded by "ass" for good measure (as he told at the Council; however, one chapter earlier, he scolded Frodo for calling Butterbur 'stupid', while glancing over the same term of abuse when applied to Bill Ferny).

Regarding Frodo - just before the description squire had detailed, he felt very foolish (and was considered by the patrons quite drunk, which made them call for a song). The word "foolish" is explicitly mentioned in the text.

And at any rate, Strider calls Frodo's disappearing later a "prank" - one of the other terms you've mentioned.

As for jests - Gandalf told Saruman in the same conversation that he should have been a king's jester.

However, when Imrahil said in The Last Debate that the attack on the Black Gate was the greatest jest in the history of Gondor, Gandalf disagreed.

But Gimli quite forgave Legolas' jest regarding the caves of Aglarond (The Road to Isengard).

Do jokes count? Anyway, Gollum told Sam not to make jokes in The Black Gate is Closed.

I am sure there are more.


Otaku-sempai
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Mar 26 2017, 12:14pm

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Other acceptable responses would have included (though not been limited to):

- Bilbo with his 'little joke' involving his ring at his long-expected party
- Peregrin 'fool of a' Took
- Tom Bombadil (and possibly Goldberry, both fond of making-merry)
- Denethor who used the Ithil-stone and paid for his foolishness
- Ioreth the woman of Gondor with a foolish tongue.
- Lindir an elven minstrel of Rivendell
- Quickbeam was certainly a merry soul, especially for an Ent

But I would not count Meriadoc 'Merry' Brandybuck just for the sake of the pun.

Feel free to continue with the "April Fools" theme if you wish, or choose another (maybe "Spring"?).

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes

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sador
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Mar 26 2017, 4:13pm

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Well, thank you. I will try to think of something.


Eruonen
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Mar 26 2017, 6:20pm

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CuriousG
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Mar 27 2017, 1:49am

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sador
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Mar 27 2017, 5:48am

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I have pointed out on previous occasions the multiple parallels between Bilbo and Sam. No doubt, as FarFromHome wrote, this has to do with the function they serve in the respective narratives - but both are fascinated with elves, are insatiably curious, profess to being good cooks, have a grudging affinity with Gollm (see here), Both quote folk-sayings, attributing them to their fathers, Well, you might even say they both have an important meaning at The Green Dragon in the secong chapters of their respective books.

This trivia collection is about another theme in which similar things occur to them: sleep!

1. Both are said to be snoring.
2. Both wait for others to snore, or at least check their breathing while sleeping.
3. Both are alarmed after what seems to be a dream becomes true.
4. Both have dreams in which they are looking for things.
5. Both oversleep, and are chided for it by a friend with an anatomical term of abuse - payfully, or contemptuously? The books give the impression that in one case, it was benign; but less so in the other.

Can you find these places?

Bonus Question:
Both are involved with a vision, in which a third character is asleep, or close to it. In both cases the sleep is connected to death.



Hamfast Gamgee
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Mar 27 2017, 10:53pm

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A few possible answers
1) Bilbo at Rivendell. Sam in general when Frodo says that he doesn't believe if he is asleep even if Sam snores
2) Bilbo with Smaug, Sam with Gollum
3)Now does alarm here mean a nasty or nice alarm? In Bilbo's case the wood-Elves at Mirkwood, in Sam's when they sing the song at the field of Cormellian?
4) Bilbo I really cannot think of this one. At Beorn's home perhaps? Sam's looking for his pipe outside MInas Morgul.
5) Bilbo at Rivendell by the Elves? 'You're snores would wake a drunken dragon,' Sam by Gollum somewhere near Mordor. Do you know, there is a certain theme behind some of these!

Now the bonus question really has me stumped. In the case of Sam is it something to do with the stairs of the tower of Cirith Ungol. And with Bilbo I really cannot think of anything apart from possibly Rivendell again with his poen of Earendil.


Eruonen
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Apr 1 2017, 1:21am

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Hamfast Gamgee
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Apr 1 2017, 10:23pm

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3) In Bilbo's case I now think it was at the Goblin cave when it opened in his sleep and continued when he awoke. In Sam's maybe when he sees Gollum as a log and wakes up and still sees Gollum!
4) Bilbo dreaming when he is in Mirkwood about the Elven feast?

I am afraid I still am stumped about Bilbo been in a vision. I simply cannot think of one or where he could possibly be in one. The poem of Earendil at Rivendell perhaps which Frodo did have a trance listening too, but I can't think where death came into it!


sador
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Apr 2 2017, 6:33am

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1. Both are said to be snoring.
You got that right the first time - although you quoted the correct phrase about Bilbo in answer no. 5: In The Last Stage, the Rivendell Elves tell Bilbo his snoring could wake a stone dragon.
And yes, Frodo told Sam he was snoring - at Crickhollow, when referring to his conversation with Gildor. Sam was specifically mentioned as snoring in Three is Company - but as Frodo finds out, he was only playacting.

2. Both wait for others to snore, or at least check their breathing while sleeping.

Your answer was better than mine: I forgot that Smaug was said to be snoring, too (and twice!). I was thinking of Galion and the chief of the guards in Barrels out of Bond. But nevertheless, you deserve full credit for the answer.
Correct again - Sam checked on Gollum's breathing in the Dead Marshes, even saying fisssh to make sure.

3. Both are alarmed after what seems to be a dream becomes true.

You got the answer for Bilbo right the second time - Bilbo's dream of the crack that became true in the Goblin cave.
Sam had dreamt of a log with eyes in The Great River, and then he realised it was not all a dream - it was indeed Gollum. Was it a nightmare based on Haldir's words in the previous chapter, or was he simply never asleep? He doesn't know, and neither do we.

4. Both have dreams in which they are looking for things.

Your first answer was nearly correct, so I'll ignore the later "correction" which was off-mark. At the end of Out of the Frying-pan Into the Fire, just before going to Beorn's, Bilbo


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...slept curled up on the hard rock more soundly than ever he had done on his feather-bed... But all night he dreamed of his own house and wandered in his sleep into all his different rooms looking for something that he could not find nor remember what it looked like.



And Sam, indeed dreamed he was looking for something in Journey to the Cross-roads, and woke up realising that it was a pipe.

5. Both oversleep, and are chided for it by a friend with an anatomical term of abuse - p(l)ayfully, or contemptuously? The books give the impression that in one case, it was benign; but less so in the other.

This actally was in Beron's house - with Bofur stumbling upon him with the words "Get up lazybones, or there will be no breakfast".
Frodo called Sam a sleepyhead when he woke in the field of Cormallen - for sleeping thirteen days rather than just twelve.


Bonus Question:
Both are involved with a vision, in which a third character is asleep, or close to it. In both cases the sleep is connected to death.

I misremembered my own phrasing - I thought it was clear that the third character was the same. Naturally, it was Frodo.
The vision with Sam I think you got correct - when he saw Frodo fast asleep under a cliff in the Mirror of Galadriel, which later turned out to be in Cirth Ungol. As we find out only in The Choices of Master Samwise, as early as the first time he saw the vision, he thought Frodo might be dead and not just asleep.
Bilbo appeared in Frodo's vision, or dream, when he dozed towards sleep atop Caradhras. As anyone who had read Jack London's To Build a Fire realises, Frodo was actually drifting towards death of hypothermia. For those who hasn't read that book - Boromir says as much.

So I think that grades as seven out of ten (I give you credit for your Beorn guess, for your answering better than myself regarding Smaug), and with one of the bones questions, that becomes eight.

Well done!



Eruonen
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Apr 2 2017, 4:16pm

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Or this one, your choice:

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Eruonen
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Apr 2 2017, 4:17pm

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Your turn for a quiz question [In reply to] Can't Post

May I suggest one not toooo involved for best response.


Hamfast Gamgee
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Apr 2 2017, 10:42pm

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And I suppose that Hillary Clinton would have been happy with 70% wouldn't she! Yes, good catch with the one with Bilbo at Caradhas. I think that a bit of laterall thinking was needed there. A bit like croswords, I suppose. I have thought up a question below.


Hamfast Gamgee
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Apr 2 2017, 11:01pm

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All right, my question [In reply to] Can't Post

And this is without looking! How many Dwarf Lords of Durin's folk can you name?


Eruonen
Valinor


Apr 3 2017, 1:45am

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Durin
Thror
Thrain
Thorin
*Fili and Kili if "lords" = royalty
Dain
Balin by the time of his Moria leadership if not before.
Dain II
Gimli - unsure, but he was sent as a representative...and if he was, can we assume Gloin?


CuriousG
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Apr 3 2017, 8:21pm

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I can't think of any more than Eruonen did. Great question, though.

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