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malickfan
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Feb 18 2017, 7:10pm

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1. Not particularly (this goes for question 3 as well) I love the stories of The Silmarillion so much I don't think any movie would be able to live up to the version I imagine, so much would have to be altered, invented or rewritten to appeal to casual audiences expecting another fantasy blockbuster it would scarcely resemble or reflect the spirit of the story as Tolkien envisioned it .

We never got JRR Tolkien's final version of the story, I have no pressing desire to see Hollywood mess with it.

2. Stage Opera or animated miniseries.

4. Great Actors

5. Maybe Terrence Malick or Alfonso Cuaron








ange1e4e5
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Feb 18 2017, 7:53pm

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OldestDaughter
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Feb 18 2017, 8:09pm

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1. Would you want to see an adaptation?
Yes!

2. If so, what medium would you want to see it in (film, TV)?
Film.

3. How much of the rest of The Silmarillion would you want to see?
"As much you can give me!"

4. Who should play the legendary couple?
I like Darkstone's idea of Sebastian Stan as Beren. Gemma Arterton as Luthien.(Her voice is somewhat similar to Liv Tyler's, so I think that would work as a relative. :) )

5. What screenwriters/directors/producers do you think would create an adaptation that would satisfy your standards?
I am still good with Peter Jackson, but I do like Christoper Nolan's films, so that would be ok too with me!

6. What other characters/actors would you want to see in the adaptation?
Can't think of too many right now, but I would like Ben Kingsly to voice Huan!Smile




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malickfan
Gondor


Feb 19 2017, 2:05pm

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...I haven't read The Silmarillion in ages and I'm not particularly keen to see it adapted, most of the characters are so thinly described or 'larger than life' (especially the literal gods the Valar) that I'm hard pressed to name many actors who would feel right for the source material.








wizzardly
Rohan


Feb 19 2017, 3:29pm

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No. Looking forward to the book though.

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squire
Half-elven


Feb 19 2017, 3:54pm

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1. Would you want to see an adaptation?
No, The Hobbit project has made me very wary of how the media world now sees Tolkien's work as license to turn out fantasy epics that follow Hollywood formulas rather than Tolkien's rather older-fashioned sense of romance and mythology.
Certainly I think we should all read the book before we jump into the next phase of this process.

2. If so, what medium would you want to see it in (film, TV)?
Film - one film, no more than 2 1/2 hours.

4. Who should play the legendary couple?
Preferably actors I'm unfamiliar with, so that I will see Beren and Luthien and not a couple of movie stars.

5. What screenwriters/directors/producers do you think would create an adaptation that would satisfy your standards?
I'm not really confident that a producer/director creative enough to approach this tale on Tolkien's terms would get through the first door of the procedures needed to get a film made in the real world of Hollywood. I would say that Sir Peter Jackson should not do it, so that its nature as a Silmarillion story rather than a Lord of the Rings story would have a fighting chance to be apparent.

6. What other characters/actors would you want to see in the adaptation?
I would be very curious about the production's approach to the unworldly and mythical aspects: Huan, Morgoth, Sauron, Thingol, Melian, etc. The heart of the story seems to me to be the collision between mortal Men (Beren and his clan) with the supernal world of the original legendarium: immortals, gods, magic of all kinds. It's very hard to play such a conflict without irony, and Tolkien's work in this regard (in contrast to his more successful LotR works, featuring hobbits as commentators from a more modern world) is utterly lacking in irony.



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grammaboodawg
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Feb 20 2017, 12:40am

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Though... as with most of the tales in the Sil... it's laced with much sadness and pain. My first wish would be for that to all be undone, but then the story wouldn't be right. But if we're wishing... that would be one of mine :) So please don't flame me on the unlikelihood or bizarre suggestions I make. I really do know better.... but it's fun to fantasize ;)

1. Would you want to see an adaptation?
Yes, if it is done right! It would need to be made with the same integrity and respect Jackson, Boyens, and Walsh had for LotR/Hobbit.

2. If so, what medium would you want to see it in (film, TV)?
Film. It would need to become part of the growing series of Tolkien's stories.

3. How much of the rest of The Silmarillion would you want to see?
I would like to see stories tied to the events in LotR and The Hobbit. Also stories of Galadriel and Celeborn; Elrond; Gil-galad; Earendil; Durin and the birth of the Dwarves; etc. Also, I think a story of Valinor would really give more weight to what it means to the Elves, Gandalf, and our hobbits who found a life there... and eventually to one very wise dwarf... which would also tie the stories together. Then there's the story of the Wizards; Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast specifically. And, of course, the stories of Sauron; Minas Tirith... oh geez, I have to stop. Anything, any place, any kindred within the filmic stories is fair game, imho.

4. Who should play the legendary couple?
I really don't have anyone in mind. So many of the players in LotR/TH were so perfect in the characters they portrayed, and I hadn't heard of most of them before. I'd really love to have people who are not well known so they would not be a distraction and could fulfill their characters deeper.

5. What screenwriters/directors/producers do you think would create an adaptation that would satisfy your standards?
Those who were either directly (pardon the pun) involved with the stories/films we know, or people who can bring the familiar feel and appearance of these films. The first one to come to mind if Jackson doesn't want to do it would be Andy Serkis and... who knows... Billy and/or Katie Jackson. They have a unique perspective and, by the time these films could begin to be made, would be of an age to meet the challenge.

6. What other characters/actors would you want to see in the adaptation?

If it fit, it would be great to see a small cameo by Galadriel, Cirdan, Elrond, Thranduil, Saruman... those who could potentially be (were) around during the stories in the Sil, though I know they don't really cross paths in most cases.


This is a fascinating set of questions and I had fun exploring the possibilities. I do it all the time with The Sil and the stories in the Appendices; but I know the likelihood of these ever being done is very small.




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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Feb 20 2017, 8:46pm

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One of the most esteemed of all silent films is Carl Theodor Dreyer's The Passion of Joan of Arc, starring Maria Falconetti in the title role. Some critics have suggested that one reason the film holds such power is that Falconetti, a stage actress, appeared in only two other, little-seen films (ten years earlier), so that she was always only Joan, especially for viewers outside of France.



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Ettelewen
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Feb 20 2017, 10:58pm

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I don't often go to see movies in the theater, and I don't watch a lot of TV, so it was a delicious treat for me to see The Fellowship of the Ring with so many relatively unknown actors! I could concentrate on the story rather than "oh, there's so-and-so from this role or that". I remember thinking, "So that's Boromir!, Ah yes, Gandalf!" It was lovely. I'd no recollection of watching Sean Bean in another role, and although I'd seen Ian McKellen a time or two he so owned Gandalf's character that there was no jarring impact to take me out of the story.

I would like to have that experience again.


Darkstone
Immortal


Feb 21 2017, 2:57pm

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Many of the LOTR actors were well-known faces from NZ's long running five-nights-a-week soap Shortland Street (Such as Karl Urban, Martin Csokas, Craig Parker, Robyn Malcolm, John Leigh, Sarah McLeod, Mark Ferguson, and, under Uruk makeup, Jed Brody, Ben Mitchell, and Robbie Magasiva).

As for Ian McKellen, a lot of fans strenuously objected to his casting because "He IS Magneto!"

Perhaps strangest of all was when Mark Ordesky's put together a quick demo tape of Mortensen’s roles in “Psycho” (1998), "The Prophecy” (1995), and “Texas Chainsaw Massacre III” (1990) to pitch Viggo for Aragorn. It shouldn't surprise anyone that slashmeister PJ loved it and immediately offered Mortensen the role.

Anyway, as Liv said to Steven Tyler of Aerosmith when he was so amazed about her transformation into Arwen, "That's what acting's all about, Daddy!"

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Starling
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Feb 21 2017, 5:21pm

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especially when watching the theatrical release of The Two Towers. I vividly remember the sniggers when some of the well known Kiwi actors appeared, especially John Leigh ("There's Lionel - he didn't die after all!)
And Craig Parker, whose name I have trouble remembering. I still call him 'Guy Warner'. I still can't get over seeing him in his lovely blonde wig.

I missed a lot of the dialogue due to the laughter in the theatre.




Ataahua
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Feb 21 2017, 5:37pm

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especially John Leigh ("There's Lionel - he didn't die after all!)


That was my exact thought. Thankfully, that's the only time I was ripped right out of the magic of the films.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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noWizardme
Valinor


Feb 22 2017, 10:59am

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The "Ohh Look, there's X" problem (in which you distactingly recognise an actor as a character they played in another show) seems to apply to some actors more than others (at least, that's how it seems to me). For example Ian Holm seems to move between roles well - seeing him as Bilbo I didn't think "Oh look there's ...

=>Ash, from Ridley Scott's Alien, or
=>Sam Mussabini the coach from Chariots of Fire, or
=>Napoleon (variously from the 1972 television series Napoleon and Love; or Terry Gilliam's Time Bandits from 1981; or in 2001 film about Napoleon in exile, The Emperor's New Clothes).

I wonder why that is? To do with an actor's ability to make each character different, perhaps; or to do with a tendency to re-cast actors in roles like ones they have already done? It can't all be just re-casting though: I did find it odd that Eomer and Syler were having a chat on the bridge of the rebooted Enterprise, even though those actors were now acting differently as Spock and McCoy...

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ange1e4e5
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Feb 22 2017, 11:24am

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Ataahua
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Feb 22 2017, 6:12pm

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playing Tom Cruise. Again."

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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Feb 24 2017, 4:10am

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5. What screenwriters/directors/producers do you think would create an adaptation that would satisfy your standards?
Those who were either directly (pardon the pun) involved with the stories/films we know, or people who can bring the familiar feel and appearance of these films. The first one to come to mind if Jackson doesn't want to do it would be Andy Serkis


There's this quote from an article in Variety in 2014... which gives me hope!!! :D


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“If I had to start tomorrow, I would say no, because I definitely would appreciate a break to clear my head and get my little New Zealand stories done, which is where my passion and my heart is heading now,” Jackson told Variety. “But ask me in two or three years, and I’d probably say yes. It would be hard to see another filmmaker go into this world, because I certainly have an emotional ownership of it.”





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ange1e4e5
Rohan

Feb 28 2017, 11:33pm

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squire
Half-elven


Mar 1 2017, 12:08am

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From what I can tell, a movie star owns a persona that fans fall in love with, and want to see again and again. A 'character actor' loses himself or herself in the role, and seems almost chameleon-like in the ability to surprise audiences with a new appearance or new personality.

Obviously there is quite a lot of overlap between these approaches to acting in films: a movie star is certainly an expert actor, only it's just at playing himself; and a well-known character actor always risks becomes a star in her own right as audiences increasingly recognize her underneath the various roles, make-up, and accents.

I have thought that Tolkien's characters, being more archetypal and romantic than fully-rounded and idiosyncratic, would be a real trap for any well-known film actor who swore he or she would really 'become' that Elf or hero or wizard or whatever. As for a high-end well-known movie star (like Peter O'Toole in 'My Favorite Year', quoted in my header), he would of course play himself no matter who it was he was supposed to be, Turin or Thingol or Morgoth or Sador - that's why he was cast, and that's what his audience expects, and that's why he gets paid the big bucks, as he knows perfectly well.



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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Mar 1 2017, 12:38pm

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Most of John Wayne's movies have him as a familiar character whether it's a war movie, western, detective or a boxer living in Ireland. I also enjoy that he was surrounded by familiar faces fulfilling supporting roles (Ward Bond, Maureen O'Hara, Harry Carry jr, etc.). I really enjoy seeing characters I love changing-up the story (which is often familiar as well).

As Ataahua said, Tom Cruise is also a very consistent character actor.

One of the people I am always amazed with in his diversity is Peter Stormare. Who? You've seen him everywhere and he always delivers, imho.
He's from Sweden, but is known for playing many nationalities flawlessly. My favourites he played was in Armageddon and Constantine :D


Armageddon as the Russian Cosmonaut


Minority Report as the psyco doctor


Chocolat as an abusive husband


Jurassic Park: The Lost World as the big jerk lead-hand to the Hunter


Constantine as satan


The Big Lewbowski as one of the Nihilists


Even on the TV series The Blacklist in a recurring role as Berlin Kirchoff




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cats16
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Mar 2 2017, 6:34am

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That nasty little role of his in Fargo. ShockedWink

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ange1e4e5
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Mar 10 2017, 2:50pm

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