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weathertop
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Jan 10 2017, 6:55pm
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Which quick ME resource do you most use
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whilst looking around i found that some of the resources i've used from the long past (encyclopedia of arda and the framecap library) apparently now have some competition. Curious as to what others are out there.
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/
http://tolkiengateway.net/
http://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/
http://www.framecaplib.com/lotrlib.htm
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Jan 10 2017, 7:14pm
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I actually wanted to vote for both Tolkien Gateway and The Encyclopedia of Arda. Sometimes I use One Wiki to Rule Them All (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Middle-earth).
Frankly, I've never before heard of the site Ask About Middle Earth.
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weathertop
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Jan 10 2017, 7:29pm
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but I was looking for some info on why movie Thranduil might have had an issue with a “lowly Silvan elf” -- because I thought he had assimilated into the Silvan community in the Greenwood -- and found this article: http://askmiddlearth.tumblr.com/post/71343971696/tauriel-the-lowly-silvan-elf
I hadn't heard of that One Wiki before.
Curious to see which of those three wikis (and any others that get mentioned) has more complete, accurate info.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Jan 10 2017, 9:32pm
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That's an interesting article but the simple truth is that we know far too little about the mother of Legolas and Tolkien tells us absolutely nothing about her. Most speculation that I've run across assumes that she would have been a Sinda Elf of good family, though it is entirely possible that Tolkien would have made her a Wood-elf. He never actually wrote that the Sindar of the Woodland Realm commonly intermarried with the Silvan Elves; that is something that we are inferring ourselves.
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weathertop
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Jan 10 2017, 10:11pm
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that Thranduil is Sinda (therefore so is Legolas - at least in half, regardless of his mother's lineage)?
But then again I get confused when trying to decipher Silvan vs Sindar. I thought Silvan was a subset of the Noldor, where Sindar and Noldor were subsets of the Teleri.
I thought Lorien and the Woodlands were Silvan originally, then came Galadriel (a higher Noldor), Celeborn and Thranduil (Sindar) to end up ruling over them.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 10 2017, 11:15pm
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...Thranduil is Sinda (therefore so is Legolas - at least in half, regardless of his mother's lineage)?
Yes, that is so.
But then again I get confused when trying to decipher Silvan vs Sindar. I thought Silvan was a subset of the Noldor, where Sindar and Noldor were subsets of the Teleri.
No, the Sindar are a subset of the Teleri that mostly never left Middle-earth (Cirdan the Shipwright being a notable exception). SIlvan Elves seem to include both Avari who eventually migrated west into Rhovanion and possibly Nandor Elves who never crossed the Misty Mountains.
I thought Lorien and the Woodlands were Silvan originally, then came Galadriel (a higher Noldor), Celeborn and Thranduil (Sindar) to end up ruling over them.
Yes, that seems pretty accurate, though there might be other Sindar among the ruling class. And Tolkien later toyed with the idea of retconning Celeborn into a Telerin Elf who accompanied Galadriel from Aman.
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weathertop
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Jan 11 2017, 4:36am
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Nandor/Noldor bah, mistyped!
Nandor would be the subset of the Teleri (along with Sindar and the other one?). i thought Silvan were a subset of the Nandor. But if they were part of the Avari, that might make a bit more sense (including a potential explanation of the Tauriel comment).
and having Celeborn be a Teleri, would seem to make things fit better.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 11 2017, 5:28am
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I don't think that Tolkien was entirely consistent in his descriptions of the Silvan Elves/Wood-elves. In The Hobbit he wrote:
...most of them (together with their scattered relations in the hills and mountains) were descended from the ancient tribes that never went to Faerie in the West... In the Wide World the Wood-elves lingered in the twilight of our Sun and Moon, but loved best the stars; and they wandered in the great forests that grew tall in lands that are now lost.
That could describe either the surviving Nandor who never entered Beleriand or the Avari. Appendix F ("The Languages and Peoples of the Third Age") of The Lord of the Rings notes:
The Elves far back in the Elder Days became divided into two main branches: the West-elves (the Eldar) and the East-elves. Of the latter kind [that is, the East-elves or Avari] were most of the elven-folk of Mirkwood and Lórien; but their languages do not appear in this history, in which all the Elvish names and words are of Eldarin form.
The Index of Unfinished Tales contradicts this with the following:
Silvan Elves . Nandorin Elves who never passed west of the Misty Mountains but remained in the Vale of Anduin and in Greenwood the Great.
In my personal opinion, the published LotR is more authoritative than UT. At the same time, I am willing to compromise and say that the Wood-elves were comprised of both Nandorin Elves and Avari.
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Gianna
Rohan
Jan 12 2017, 2:49pm
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sometimes wikipedia in a pinch.
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Rohan
Jan 12 2017, 3:33pm
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I used to look at one called J.R.R. Tolkien. I really don't remember though, they took it down years ago.
But Tolkiengateway is my go to site!
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Darkstone
Immortal
Jan 12 2017, 3:34pm
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I like to browse the alphabetical index.
I used to use another one (Tuckborough?) that was good, but it got overrun by malware.
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dormouse
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Jan 12 2017, 7:13pm
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Encyclopedia of Arda and Tolkien Gateway....
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probably about equally.
And the Complete Guide to Middle Earth (book).
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Jan 12 2017, 10:57pm
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wildly informative, esp the bits about the Sindar!
(I have a silvery grey cat named Sindarin)
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sparrowruth
Rivendell
Jan 15 2017, 11:21pm
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....though i'm probably as likely to use one of the tolkien reference books i have as anything
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malickfan
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Jan 29 2017, 10:23am
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I generally find Tolkien Gateway to be the most reliable of the wiki's
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As they cite references from the books, keep facts and fan theories separate and don't combine information from the films and books on the same page, lots of great artwork there as well.
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Eldy
Tol Eressea
Jan 29 2017, 8:08pm
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Since The Thain's Book went offline...
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...the Tolkien Gateway has been the best online Tolkien encyclopedia, in my opinion. As a wiki it has some accuracy problems, but the community there is pretty good at fixing most issues. Most (though not all) of their articles are pretty well cited, too.
Encyclopedia of Arda is perhaps more consistent on the accuracy front but their usefulness is limited by the lack of citations (making it hard to double check or find out more information), and their entries tend to be very brief and surface-level.
The Ask Middle-earth page on tumblr has some interesting content but it's not really comparable IMO as its not an encyclopedia.
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ange1e4e5
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Mar 20 2017, 2:15am
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Brought myself up to speed with The Silmarillion with them. Also really like the artwork on the site.
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