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1924
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Jan 4 2017, 10:38pm
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third movie would automatically be way better with some cuts and additions
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I liked the third movie but it automatically would raise from 7 to 9 for me if they had cut out some Alfrid scenes and a couple Legolas stunts and left in some other scenes that were cut (Thorin's funeral, the dwarves getting their moments in battle, Bilbo planting the acorn, Gandalf scolding Thranduil for only being interested in jewels, Bilbo and Bofur's conversation etc)
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Yngwulff
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Jan 5 2017, 2:16am
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Add cloud of bats keeping the sun off the goblin army and remove the giant worms
“I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
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DainPig
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Jan 5 2017, 9:51pm
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Legolas do some ridiculous stuff, so do Alfrid. And why the hell cut Thorin's funeral. It shows us what happens to Arkenstone and to Dain.
Add cloud of bats keeping the sun off the goblin army and remove the giant worms
What is wrong with the worms? They do their job.
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Noria
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Jan 6 2017, 1:15pm
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Already there is disagreement about what should be cut and added,
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Everybody has different ideas.
I've said along that the EE of TBOTFA should have been the theatrical cut, with another extended version to follow.
As for changes, I enjoy Legolas but find the sequences too long, so I would only trim them to make room for Thorin's funeral and so on. But that would be book fan service and the movie would probably have been criticized for having too prolonged or too many endings, like RotK.
For me Alfrid is too much but he serves a function and I would only tone him down, not eliminate him entirely. No doubt there are more restrained takes of his scenes. I did prefer his disappearance in the TE to his being eaten in the EE though.
As for the worms, I thought they were great.
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dormouse
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Jan 6 2017, 3:01pm
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'Automatically' implies that everyone would agree with your initial idea and would also agree, at least broadly, on the cuts and additions. They don't.
I enjoyed the film in the cinema, while feeling some parts were a bit rushed (I felt exactly the same about RotK, as it happens.) The EE made up for it, though much as I love the film I'm inclined to agree with Noria that I'd like the EE to have been the theatrical version with a longer EE to follow.
I'm also pretty much in agreement with Noria's other points. Legolas doesn't bother me, I like him - particularly in the Gundabad scene with Tauriel and the final scene with his father. Alfrid just needed toning down a bit.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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1924
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Jan 6 2017, 5:57pm
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it is my opinion of course
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imin
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Jan 6 2017, 6:46pm
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People seem to have missed this bit in the OP
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I liked the third movie but it automatically would raise from 7 to 9 for me
For me, implying opinion.
All posts are to be taken as my opinion.
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dormouse
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Jan 6 2017, 11:07pm
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Yes - can't speak for anyone else....
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..but my response was to the subject line which doesn't offer any such qualification.
Of course the OP's entitled to his or her opinion, whatever it might be.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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DainPig
Gondor
Jan 6 2017, 11:27pm
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What else could it be?
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imin
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Jan 7 2017, 12:14am
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Need to read more than just the subject line then...
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All posts are to be taken as my opinion.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Jan 7 2017, 1:47am
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It's funny to me how often we need to restate this given fact on internet forums
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But I also get that a lot of people out there in the world take their opinion as the same kind of fact as the fact that their opinion is an opinion.
Tricky.
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LittleHobbit
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Jan 7 2017, 3:38am
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People should always clarify...
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that what they post is an opinion. Every opinion should be prefaced with statements like ''It is my opinion that'', ''in my opinion'', ''I think that'', ''I am of the view of'', etc. Otherwise why shouldn't we take that they are proclaiming what they are as FACT instead of opinion?
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Jan 7 2017, 6:01am
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I've been reading this back for a minute and I truly can't tell if this is sarcasm or not
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If it is: well done!
If it is not: because very basic intelligence and common sense tells us that when someone is describing the quality of something subjective, like a movie, it is an opinion always. Sometimes the opinion will be well reasoned or poorly reasoned, backed with evidence from the film or completely made up out of the thin air inside their head where basic intelligence and common sense should be, but an opinion nonetheless. Typing "in my opinion" to preface every viewpoint is exactly as tedious as it is to constantly read on a message board mostly made up of opinions. It's totally unnecessary.
Imagine a film review site operating under that ideal. It would be exactly as much fun to browse through hundreds and hundreds of "I feel..." and "in my humble opinion..." refrains each couple of write-ups as it sounds. Which, of course, sounds like a hoot!
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LittleHobbit
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Jan 7 2017, 11:52am
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Sadly, that wasn't sarcast at all.
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Let me explain my viewpoint more clearly.
If an objective criticism can be done in the form of direct affirmation, which may be correct or not, a subjective criticism IS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE, a personal opinion that HAS NO TRUTH VALUE. If I say that Jurassic Park errs to attribute to the Jurassic period animals that are from the Cretaceous period, that is an objective criticism, which may be RIGHT or WRONG, and can be compared with scientific sources. But if I state that the acting of the actors doesn't convince, except if it is the opinion of everybody, that is too subejctive to be considered true of false, because nobody can tell to one person that she is right or wrong in her sensibility.
We might try to make her feel other aspects, point to other characteristics and see if showing another point of view she changes her mind, but that will be up only to the person herself. The non-transferable and personal sensibility is PARAMOUNT. And by that same token, the opinions should ALWAYS be prefaced of a personal declaration, of the kind ''think so'', ''seems to me'', ''I am of the viewpoint that'', etc. This is valid even for movie reviewers, by the way.
I could go on, but for now, that constitutes the core of my argument. You are welcome to present a counter-argument, of course! 
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 7 2017, 2:48pm
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If an objective criticism can be done in the form of direct affirmation, which may be correct or not, a subjective criticism IS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE, a personal opinion that HAS NO TRUTH VALUE.
You've opened up a can of worms with that statement. An opinion, or even a piece of fiction, can contain more Truth than a hundred recitations of raw facts--or at least that is my opinion.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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Noria
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Jan 7 2017, 3:37pm
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I like to throw in “in my opinion” and “I think” both to lessen any feeling of belligerence in my posts and to make it clear that I am not confusing my opinion with fact, as so many people seem to do. On these forums I’ve seen posts in which the writer overtly presents his/her opinion as fact, as in “We all know that The Hobbit movies were complete failures.” when the fact is that each made over or close to a billion dollars. I'm probably guilty of that kind of thing myself, though with me it would be more along the lines of "The Hobbit movies are beautiful to look at and listen to."
Of course in my opinion my opinions are usually correct! 
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dormouse
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Jan 7 2017, 6:28pm
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I did read the post as well, and always do...
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..but I responded to the subject line because it was, well, the subject of the thread, as given. Why else call them subject lines?
Anyway, it was only my opinion (as is this), so please feel free to ignore if you don't like it.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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imin
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Jan 7 2017, 6:38pm
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Now that's interesting and just seems odd to me (in my opinion), to read the subject line and the post but then only respond to the title with a response that looks like it distorts what the OP said (after all they said it was in their opinion and not stating fact). Was merely pointing that out, nothing to do with whether i like your posts or not, i actually find them interesting as they differ in view of the films so much from my own. Of course if you dislike my posts you are welcome to respond or ignore as well.
Anyway, it has turned into a rather interesting thread, so thats something. 
All posts are to be taken as my opinion.
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~Juicy Lembas ~
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Jan 20 2017, 6:16pm
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more of Jackson's humor would be nice
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The last movie was a little too serious for my tastes. Personally my favorite things about his movies are his comedic bits. Like when that one guy burps in everyone's faces across the table and Pippin farts in the boat! That stuff is brilliant! 
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Ostadan
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Jan 20 2017, 7:35pm
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I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradictions to the
sentiments of others, and all positive assertion of my own.
I even forbade myself the use of every word or expression in
the language that imported a fixed opinion, such as ``certainly'',
``undoubtedly'', etc. I adopted instead of them ``I conceive'',
``I apprehend'', or ``I imagine'' a thing to be so or so; or
``so it appears to me at present''.
When another asserted something that I thought an error, I
denied myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly,
and of showing him immediately some absurdity in his proposition.
In answering I began by observing that in certain cases or
circumstances his opinion would be right, but in the present
case there appeared or seemed to me some difference, etc.
I soon found the advantage of this change in my manner;
the conversations I engaged in went on more pleasantly.
The modest way in which I proposed my opinions procured them
a readier reception and less contradiction. I had less
mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I
more easily prevailed with others to give up their mistakes
and join with me when I happened to be in the right.
-- Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin
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Noria
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Jan 21 2017, 1:15pm
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Gee, that Benjamin Franklin fellow was pretty smart!//
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VeArkenstone
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Jan 24 2017, 1:41am
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Part 3 just did not flow for me.
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I only saw the movie two times when it first came out, but I was so disappointed both times. There were many scenes I thought were completely unnecessary, and other important scenes were either too short or just eliminated. And what did happen to that funeral? And Dain, I don't buy it at all. For me it was like someone purposely ruined it, considering caliber of the 5 movies that came before it.
Anyway, I am willing to give another try and finally buying a copy. I am not going to hold it against Peter Jackson, but I am still puzzled as what happened.
Please, call me Ve.
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Jan 24 2017, 1:47am
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Did you see the extended version?
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I'm not saying it will fix all your objections (likely it won't), but I thought it did solve some of the problems, and at least the funeral did make it in, albeit more briefly than many of us would have liked.
Silverlode
Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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malickfan
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Jan 29 2017, 10:46am
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...Honestly i found it pretty boring...and no, that's not because I'm an action film junkie with a limited attention span, I just couldn't connect with most of the characters, little of the new material held by interest and it was less a battle more a confused bloated videogame pile up, I have very little interest in re watching TH trilogy anytime soon.
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Jacob0407
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Feb 3 2017, 10:53pm
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How much extra footage m the hobbit movies is still never seen the light of day does anyone know?
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