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Cirdan versus Henry J. Kaiser

Darkstone
Immortal


Dec 22 2016, 3:26pm

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Who's the better shipwright?

Bonus: Idril Celebrindal or Rosie the Riveter?

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Dear Necromancers:

Why do you bother summoning human corpses when dinosaurs are an option?




Meneldor
Valinor


Dec 22 2016, 4:00pm

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As a Yankee sail nerd, 'tis my bounden duty [In reply to] Can't Post

to vote for Joshua Humphreys.


They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107


Otaku-sempai
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Dec 22 2016, 5:51pm

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Círdan the Shipwright [In reply to] Can't Post

It's right there in his name. Kaiser could get ships built by the gross, but I doubt that he could design them himself.

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes


Bracegirdle
Valinor


Dec 23 2016, 3:22pm

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There is no record [In reply to] Can't Post

Of a Third Age White Ship being sunk
Over 1500 Liberty Ships were sunkéd

Quantity = Henry J
Quality = Cirdan

Bonus:
Idril’s son Earendil built the ship Vingilot which sails to this very day. (Lookee up!)
Idril herself was a "tunneler” not a “shipperess”
= Nod to Rosie (Ribbet! Ribbet!)

‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'

Gandalf to Denethor




Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Dec 23 2016, 10:34pm

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Was this one of the White Ships? [In reply to] Can't Post


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There is no record
Of a Third Age White Ship being sunk
Over 1500 Liberty Ships were sunkéd

Quantity = Henry J
Quality = Cirdan

Bonus:
Idril’s son Earendil built the ship Vingilot which sails to this very day. (Lookee up!)
Idril herself was a "tunneler” not a “shipperess”
= Nod to Rosie (Ribbet! Ribbet!)


I know of at least one instance of Círdan losing a ship and everyone aboard: The ship he dispatched to aid King Arvedui at the Ice Bay of Forochel in TA 1975 was crushed by the ice after taking on Arvedui and his men.

"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes


Bracegirdle
Valinor


Dec 24 2016, 3:18am

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I could be wrong, I was once before when [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought I made a mistake…. Wink Wink

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I’ve always assumed that the “White Ships” made by Cirdan were especially built to sail from Middle-earth to Eldamar. And any ships that simply sailed the coasts of M.E. were just “ships”.

But I know of no absolute reference to back this up…. Anyone?


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Was this one of the White Ships?

I know of at least one instance of Círdan losing a ship and everyone aboard: The ship he dispatched to aid King Arvedui at the Ice Bay of Forochel in TA 1975 was crushed by the ice after taking on Arvedui and his men.


‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'

Gandalf to Denethor




Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Dec 24 2016, 5:14am

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You might still be technically correct. [In reply to] Can't Post

The White Ships might have specifically been the vessels built to carry Elves voyaging to Aman. But do we know that Círdan didn't re-purpose one of those ships for the attempted rescue of Arvedui?

Then again, The One Ring Roleplaying Game gives us this:


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Grey Ship
Oarless ships built by the Elves to sail the open sea.


"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Dec 24 2016, 5:20am)

 
 

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