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Ingwion
Lorien
Nov 24 2016, 8:38pm
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It's a very subjective matter, I suppose. For me, I love the cliffhanger and the beginning of BOFA.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Nov 24 2016, 10:35pm
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Are those the only two options, though?
There was at least the third option of a more straightforward adaptation that could have been done as two parts even including incorporating Legolas and the subplot of the White Council against the Necromancer. However, Peter Jackson was not interested in that approach.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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dormouse
Half-elven
Nov 24 2016, 10:52pm
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Are you sure that this adaptation could have been done in two parts? I'm not convinced that it could - at least, not without unacceptable loss.
If you take the adaptation as it stands, from the beginning of AUJ to the meeting with Bard on the river bank which they say was the end of the two-parter you have something too long for one film. You also have a lot of things which didn't even make it into the theatrical cut but which seem to me to be worth keeping, from little Bilbo's first meeting with Gandalf through to his exploration of Rivendell, his conversation with Elrond, the dwarves' introduction to Beorn, the white stag. So, what is the approach Peter Jackson wasn't interested in which would have condensed all this into one film?
(By the way, in answer to the question you were answering, I agree that there are many more options that just the two. The book could have been adapted in any number of ways. This happens to be Peter Jackson's way).
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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KW
Rivendell
Nov 25 2016, 12:18am
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No, I meant aside from changing the number of movies
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I don't think they should have made three movies but I was trying to put that aside. I was questioning if a Smaug Cliffhanger really was the only or even best way available to bridge the two movies from the audience perspective.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Nov 25 2016, 12:29am
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Are you sure that this adaptation could have been done in two parts? I'm not convinced that it could - at least, not without unacceptable loss.
No, not using Peter Jackson's approach. But a two-part movie could certainly have been made, or even a single film if you don't mind a more compressed version of the story.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Nov 25 2016, 12:32am
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I don't think they should have made three movies but I was trying to put that aside. I was questioning if a Smaug Cliffhanger really was the only or even best way available to bridge the two movies from the audience perspective.
All right, given that we did have the three movies then I think that DoS needed to end with either the death of Smaug or the cliffhanger that we got. I don't see another viable option.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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KW
Rivendell
Nov 25 2016, 1:15am
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But the original poster was actually attaching inevitable audience reactions exclusive to each choice. That is what I mean by there being more options open to the storyteller. The writer could both kill Smaug and present some sort of tension or ending that would excite the audience as to what happens next. That is a third option not allowed consideration in the original post.
Oh, just to be clear, I mean ingwion's post and not No One In Particular's post..
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DainPig
Gondor
Nov 25 2016, 12:47pm
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At the shores of Longlake, people around Bard, "winter is coming". That could work somehow.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Nov 25 2016, 3:57pm
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But, really, that's just an epilogue to "Fire and Water" and the demise of Smaug.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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dormouse
Half-elven
Nov 25 2016, 7:16pm
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A two-part or one-part adaptation of The Hobbit could be made. But as I would have minded a more compressed version, I'm glad things didn't go that way!
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Eruonen
Half-elven
Nov 25 2016, 11:02pm
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the barrel scenes are just too over the top for me....not quite as bad as Goblin Town but still, less would have been more. But, we have Beorn, Thranduil, High Fells, Bard, Laketown, Dol Guldur, Smaug....so yes, quite a bit to like despite some of the excesses.
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Eruonen
Half-elven
Nov 26 2016, 12:08am
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I really liked the Gandalf and Sauron duel.....
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seing the EE again, I agree it is probably the best of the three because is has the role of the Reveal movie....AUJ the intro. DOS the big reveals and then BOFA the concluding.
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OldestDaughter
Rohan
Nov 26 2016, 12:52am
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I like the Sauron and Gandalf duel also.
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I really liked how when Sauron was revealed, he looked as he did in the FOTR at the battle of the last alliance, and how that formed the Eye in the LOTRs.
"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."
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DainPig
Gondor
Nov 26 2016, 3:06pm
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It is for me one of the worst parts of the movie. Visually. The light that shines from Gandalf staff is just too over the top, too Harry-potterish. In Lotr the light came from the top of his staff, it was very sutile. In DOS it looks like a damn video-game, visually horrible.
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dormouse
Half-elven
Nov 27 2016, 10:59am
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Visually I think the whole confrontation's very impressive - and in other ways too, but as you're stressing the visual..... He's facing the heart of darkness, in Middle-earth terms, so it seems only right for his light to shine more brightly.
As for video games, I can only say what I always say - I've yet to see one that comes anywhere near the visual quality of these films.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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BOSW
Bree
Dec 6 2016, 8:03pm
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I agree that this was the best. That's not saying much for me, I don't like the LotR's trilogy much and really disliked TH trilogy intensely. But for what it is, DOS is the most absorbing and rewarding of the three films for me. It does get better with further viewings (I watched it twice). I'm not planning on watching any of these films again but I'll give DOS my highest grade for TH trilogy.
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