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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Oct 21 2016, 8:41am
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for this very interesting and informative discussion. 
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Ingwion
Lorien
Oct 22 2016, 10:32am
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Merry dealt the fatal blow with his sword of Westernesse. This would explain the prophecy, as he was not of the race of Men
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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dormouse
Half-elven
Oct 22 2016, 12:03pm
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..because Tolkien is clear that it was the sword of Westernesse that broke the spell that gave the Nazgul pysical form. Eowyn strikes the final blow but it sounds very much as if she would have been killed herself had it not been for Merry.
On the other hand, Eowyn makes the Nazgul doubt his power when she reveals that she's a woman. So, because I'd hate to take anything away from her big moment, I'll say they achieved it together.... (though I do think you have a point!)
Prophecies in stories do tend to be misleading...
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Ingwion
Lorien
Oct 22 2016, 6:36pm
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Although I think in the book the fact she was a woman was not emphasised as much.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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dormouse
Half-elven
Oct 22 2016, 9:50pm
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Eowyn's language is more modern in the film but essentially it's the same, I think....
I'm being too lazy to go for the book so this may not be verbatim but so far as I remember, the Nazgul says something like, "Thou fool; no living man can hinder me." And she replies, "No living man am I. You look upon a woman, Eowyn, I am, Eomund's daughter..... Begone if you be not deathless..." And I think - though I may be imagining it - that she also removes her helmet to show him that she's a woman. And in the book the reveal is bigger in a way because the reader isn't supposed to know that the mysterious Dernhelm is Eowyn until that moment. In the film we've known all along.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Ingwion
Lorien
Oct 22 2016, 11:19pm
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I always felt that Eowyn was just helpfully correcting him as to her gender. In the movies it stands out a bit more. But that's just how it's always felt to me.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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