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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Oct 26 2016, 1:35pm
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It seems pretty clear to me that ''blue beard'' literally refers to just that -- a beard that is blue. Same as with Kili and Fili having ''yellow beards'' (although that would be arguably less awkward). And the term is separated, not together, like you typed -- it's not a single word meaning something else..
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that, traditionally, blue is used to describe a hair color that could be more properly described as blueish-gray. A different example is found in the Encarta World English Dictionary:
At the literary gatherings held in houses of fashionable mid-18th-century hostesses, it became the custom to wear casual rather than full formal dress. In the case of gentlemen's stockings, this meant gray worsted (conventionally called "blue" at the time rather than black silk.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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dormouse
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Oct 26 2016, 3:00pm
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I suppose it depends where you are....
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I've never come across any traditional use of blue as a hair colour. The closest thing I can think of was 'blue rinse' which older women used at one time on grey hair if it had a yellowish tinge, to make it more white. There was an expression 'blue-rinsed ladies' which I don't think is used much now, probably because hair dyes have come a long way since then.
But I don't suppose that's what Tolkien meant. In any case, whether he meant the blue beard literally or not, I think it would have looked odd on screen. Like the eyebrows that stick out beyond the brim of Gandalf's hat - it's an exaggeration which is fine in the book but would be ridiculous taken literally in a film.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Starling
Half-elven
Oct 26 2016, 5:30pm
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Roan is a well known colour across many animals - think horses, cattle, dogs. When there is an even mix of coat colour, the visual impression is one of an overall tone.
So strawberry roan in a horse is a mix of chestnut and white/grey, which gives the animal an almost pink look.
With blue roan, the mixture of black and white/grey gives a blue impression.
A blue beard to me would mean a blue roan look. Think of someone you know who has gone fairly evenly grey - their hair often has a blue tinge. Look at this blue roan horse - no one would say it is actually blue, but that is how the coat colour is described.
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Calenleya
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Oct 28 2016, 1:52pm
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was great. I think Martin Freeman was perfect for that role. And he was funny without beeing silly, which I felt Radagast was at times.
I had a problem with Thranduil beeing protrayed as almost a villain. I think Lee Pace did give him such a grat elvish air and royalness. I would I have liked to see more of him instead of this whole strange love triangle, whick I frankly did not get.
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the foresight to know where you're going to and
the insight to know when you're going too far.
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Ingwion
Lorien
Oct 29 2016, 11:21am
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His mannerisms were beautiful!
I agree, in the films Thranduil was a bit too horrible, and as for the love triangle, it was a stupid attempt to widen appeal at the cost of the story.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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Glorfindela
Valinor
Oct 29 2016, 11:54pm
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Not necessarily the best 'adaptations', but:
The best characters were Thorin, Bilbo, Gandalf, Smaug, Balin, Beorn (though there was not enough of the latter), and Elrond (even though he was seen comparatively briefly).
I would have liked other characters, such as Thranduil, much more, had they been given complete roles in the film (because for me, Thranduil's was incomplete and could have been much improved had it been fleshed out, all possible in the time allotted to the films if those below had been omitted).
The worst characters by far for me were Alfrid, Legolas and Turiel (the latter due to the inclusion of the character, rather than any particular complaint about the portrayal, unlike with the other two mentioned).
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Ingwion
Lorien
Oct 30 2016, 3:19pm
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But I would have prefered more of Bilbo or Fili as opposed to Thranduil
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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ange1e4e5
Gondor
Nov 1 2016, 1:34am
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I always follow my job through.
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Ingwion
Lorien
Nov 1 2016, 11:09am
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I did enjoy him, and I love his accent, although I may be biased, since we come from the same country. 
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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Yngwulff
Gondor
Nov 3 2016, 11:16pm
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I thought all the characters were spot on.
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Just didn't agree to some of PJs plot/storyline changes
“I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
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Ingwion
Lorien
Nov 5 2016, 2:08pm
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What about the character adaptation of Kili, for example? In the movie he's a flirtatious and rather rude dwarf, unlike in the book. Did you agree to that storyline change? A lot of the character adaptations change the storyline/plot slightly from what it is in the book.
Funny enough, I think you are one of the only people who I've heard say all the characters are spot on!
Edit: Or maybe you don't think character changes influence the plot/storyline at all?
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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ange1e4e5
Gondor
Nov 5 2016, 3:25pm
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Well we don't hear much about Kili in the book anyways. On the other hand, Dwarves can be rather terse with others, just look at how Dwalin meets Bilbo in the film.
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Ingwion
Lorien
Nov 5 2016, 3:26pm
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How Dwalin meets Bilbo in the film?
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But not in the books 
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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ange1e4e5
Gondor
Nov 5 2016, 3:41pm
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Yes; in the film, Dwalin is quite terse with Bilbo.
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On the other hand, Dwarf stereotypes seem to be either absent-minded like Doc in Snow White or grumpy, like, well, Grumpy, also from Snow White.
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Ingwion
Lorien
Nov 5 2016, 3:43pm
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but I'm saying Dwalin isn't like that in the books, so the character is slightly changed.
It was a foggy day in London, and the fog was heavy and dark. Animate London, with smarting eyes and irritated lungs, was blinking, wheezing, and choking; inanimate London was a sooty spectre, divided in purpose between being visible and invisible, and so being wholly neither. - Our Mutual Friend, Charles Dickens.
It is said by the Eldar that in water there lives yet the echo of the Music of the Ainur more than in any substance that is in this Earth; and many of the Children of Ilúvatar hearken still unsated to the voices of the Sea, and yet know not for what they listen. - The Silmarillion, J. R. R. Tolkien
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