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MyWeeLadGimli
Lorien
Oct 6 2016, 3:11am
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I've been thinking about the whole subplot about the Master wanting to get Bard out of the way, and I'm still not sure I fully understand it. The Master doesn't want to arrest Bard publicly because people will rise up against him, but then he just goes ahead and arrests Bard anyway.
What makes it stranger to me is that he arrests Bard at a time when nobody was listening to Bard anyway, since he was the only person in town who didn't endorse the Dwarves' quest. So why did the Master bother arresting Bard when the guy's credibility had taken a hit anyway, and Bard wasn't showing any signs of fostering a rebellion at that point? Arresting a guy who'd committed no crimes (and Braga pretty much flat out said that) is still going to make the Master look bad in the public's opinion, and might have eroded whatever goodwill he'd gained by supporting Thorin, if the town hadn't been attacked that night.
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Silverlode
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Oct 6 2016, 4:30am
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with Bard's popularity at an all-time low, and with all the fuss about the send-off for the dwarves, he figured nobody would notice or protest - at least not right away. And if anyone did complain, he could probably count on Alfrid to trump up some evidence for him. Smuggled fish, that sort of thing. There's nothing like a handy diversion when you want to pull something underhanded or not entirely legal.
The Master was nursing a personal grudge against Bard, and he'd been looking for an excuse to get rid of him for a while, apparently. But since he hadn't been able to find a good enough excuse while people were watching, maybe he figured a good opportunity while they weren't was the next best thing.
Silverlode
Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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dormouse
Half-elven
Oct 6 2016, 8:42am
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The Master already disliked and mistrusted Bard. As the heir of Girion Bard must have looked like a potential rival - and even though Bard didn't want power, the fact that he had that secret stash of home-made weapons surely suggests that he might have led a rebellion at some point.
Bard made himself conspicuous by arguing against Thorin on the steps of the Town Hall. He lost that argument: from the Master's point of view that provides the ideal moment to move against him. Bard is out of favour with the crowd - but supposing later it turns out that he was right? Arresting him quickly before that can happen is the Master's insurance policy. It's what corrupt governments tend to do to anyone who opposes them openly.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Oct 6 2016, 2:55pm
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"Captain, sensors have detected a plot complication off the port bow!"
No, it doesn't make a lot of sense, though we can reason that the Master saw an opportunity to deal with his perceived rival while his popularity was at an all-time low and took it.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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Noria
Gondor
Oct 7 2016, 12:25pm
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What Silverlode and dormouse said.
The Master and Alfrid had talked about how Bard was too popular to move against, though they wanted to.
When Bard became out of sync with the people of Laketown, when they wouldn't listen to him and sided with Thorin, when the whole town was not paying attention - the Master acted against him.
What I would like to know was what was Bard planning to do with that cache of homemade weapons?
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Oct 7 2016, 1:54pm
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What I would like to know was what was Bard planning to do with that cache of homemade weapons?
It's better to have a weapon and not need it then to need a weapon and not have it.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes
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DainPig
Gondor
Oct 13 2016, 11:39pm
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they tried to arrest Bard subtly in the midnight, unfortunaly it got the attention of many people (as you can see in the film).
"Se mais pessoas valorizassem o lar acima do ouro, o mundo seria muito mais feliz."
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